Jay, Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down together and examine the markets growing optimism, gallery models, transparency and creating value and confidence for both artists and collectors.

01:00 - Jay's summer break

05:53 - Twitter toxicity and curating your social feeds

09:30 - The market's heating up

15:40 - Speculation vs desire

18:30 - The confidence speculation can inspire in a collector base

19:50 The benefits and difficulties of playing in an emergent space

22:10 - Jay and Jamies' collecting thesis

27:37 - Financial realities and looking for a return

29:20 - Advice for new entrants to the space

33:00 - Balancing business, artist and collector interests

40:45 - Making the market

44:03 - What creates confidence and value around an artist

47:00 - Building market confidence and adopting a Gagosian model

53:16 - Artifice, transparency and creating real demand

56:33 - The issues with pursuing a traditional gallery model in the web3 space

01:02:50 - How important is a program and justifying time spent

01:08:38 - A difference in approaches between the traditional and web3 spaces

01:11:33 - The importance of a diversified program

01:12:45 - Artist Highlights

01:15:03 - Evolving collector tastes

01:17:45 - "The subject matter doesn't make the piece"

01:20:03 - Has the space's aesthetic been calcified?

Skygolpe: https://x.com/skygolpe

Jack: https://x.com/franskeej

Frank Manzano: https://x.com/loved_orleer

Itsgalo: https://x.com/galoandstuff

ex_mortal_: https://x.com/ex_mortal_

canek zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata

Robinson St. George: https://x.com/rbnsnstgrg

skomra: https://x.com/skomra

neuraldivine: https://x.com/neural_divine

MCHX: https://x.com/mchx17

DJKero: https://x.com/djkero

Greg Nikshumika: https://x.com/gregnikshumika

Kyle Flemmer: https://x.com/wildmissingnos

Nicolas Sassoon: https://x.com/nicolas_sassoon

Jeres: https://x.com/heyjeres

Erik Swahn: https://x.com/erikswahn

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Lilan Yang: https://www.instagram.com/lilanyang.studio

Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down with Ciphrd and Cosimo from fxhash to explore their new Open-form protocol, the launch of the $FXH token and how the two platforms differ in their approaches.

00:50 - Welcome Ciphrd and Cosimo

03:17 - Digging into art coins

09:50 - Token mechanics and pricing mechanisms

12:08 - A new method of patronage

17:25 - Speculation and new market participants

21:02 - The thinking behind the model

27:26 - Open-form generative art

29:55 - Balancing speculation with long-term attention

37:40 - Creating sustainability through innovation

40:03 - How $FXH powers the ecosystem

44:20 - Large scale releases and algorithmic evolution

50:40 - The community reception

53:50 - Onboarding artists to the new system

57:45 - Amplifying artists, collections and catching momentum

01:03:20 - Shifting collector mentality around value

01:10:24 - The mental cost of a pivot and the birth of Open-form

01:13:15 - The difference in connecting with a smaller or larger series

01:21:58 - An open versus a curated platform model

01:29:31- A symbiotic platform dynamic

01:31:28 - The power of web3's means of distribution

01:34:40 - Accessibility, scale, and the network effects of attention

01:41:39 - Defining success and sustainability in a new paradigm

01:46:55 - The value proposition of a curated platform

01:51:35 - A multi-model art market

01:53:10 - A points-based allow list

01:50:01 - Creating a cultural counter point to the traditional art market

02:02:15 - A holistic approach to platforms across the space

Jamie and Jay sit down with artist, founder and all-round legend, Erick Calderon aka Snowfro, to discuss all things generative, Art Blocks, Generative Goods, the difficulty of wearing multiple hats, the weight of people's expectations and dealing with competition in the space.

01:02 - Welcome Snowfro

01:40 - Bringing the energy and shaping culture

03:45 - The headspace of a founder vs an artist

05:25 - Being pulled in different directions

06:38 - The core goal of Art Blocks

09:00 - Democratisation of the art

12:20 - The importance of a longterm perspective

13:35 - Thoughts on the traditional gallery model

16:50 - Not leaning into FOMO as a platform

19:58 - The responsibility that comes with success

22:09 - How to deal with the distribution of audience attention among projects

24:00 - Why the Art Blocks schedule has slowed

26:18 - The still-unexplored potential of generative unchain art

28:04 - Extend your time horizon

30:20 - AB Curated, AB Studio and moving forward

33:21 - How to think about competition

44:50 - The power of generative art and blockchain as a distribution mechanism

46:56 - Navigating the success of Squiggles

50:00 - Collecting, Selling, and financial realities of a digital art platform

52:19 - Artists and projects that are pushing things forward

55:40 - The intersection of AI and code based work

58:58 - A new solo project and the power of constraints

01:02:13 - Juggling AB, Generative Goods and an art practice

01:05:15 - The Generative Goods philosophy and connecting with a different audience

01:15:15 - Different view points, different business models and creating upside

01:22:40 - Snowfro debrief

01:24:20 - The realities of gatekeeping

01:29:00 - Orkhan's Rêveries

01:37:30 - Technical issues with the minting process

01:40:20 - The semantics of gatekeeping

01:44:55 - Artist highlights

Snowfro: https://x.com/artonblockchain

nikita diakur: https://x.com/nikitadiakur

Spencer Yan: https://x.com/spncryn

Marcela Bellini: https://x.com/studiobellini

Joain: https://x.com/0xjoain

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x_

Jesse Draxler: https://x.com/jessedraxler

Petra Cortright: https://x.com/petcortright

Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with Beeple to discuss the importance of authenticity, virality, the role of galleries in web3 and the responsibility of curatorial uplift in an attention economy.

00:50 - Welcome Beeple

01:33 - Avoiding burnout and connecting with an audience

04:30 - Looking back across an artistic practice

06:06 - When is a work finished and the exploratory role of an artist

08:25 - Developing a physical practice

12:09 - What role do galleries have in the space

14:32 - Beeple Studios as an alternative cultural hub

18:25 - Digital media's potential for greater inclusivity

24:20 - Curator guidance, imparting context and wall text

26:50 - Finding balance in politically charged work

32:30 - How to tell what will resonate

34:40 - The Trump phenomenon and attention economy

36:00 - What community really means in web3

39:30 - Why the imbalance between penises and vaginas

40:30 - Self-censoring, misinterpretation and deleting posts

43:26 - Where will we be in ten years?

44:00 - Post-Beeple debrief

45:06 - Meme-pyromania and community reaction as art

46:18 - The exponential curve of stimulation

49:40 - Beeple's curatorial approach and the democratisation of opportunity

51:36 - Red Chip, Blue Chip and wall text

58:39 - Node's acquisition of the Punks IP

01:04:00 - Verse rundown

01:06:26 - Artist Highlights

Beeple: https://x.com/beeple

Pipiuniversel: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

Sogaki: https://x.com/sogaki

The Galois Connection: https://x.com/thegaloiscxn

MACBETH: https://x.com/macbethai

Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with legendary collector and timeline provocateur Phantom Scribbler, diving into everything from memes, the social impact of NFTs, the importance of concept and narrative and the death of aesthetics.

01:30 - The state of the market

05:47 - New additions and a rising floor

08:20 - Welcome Phantom Scribbler

09:15 - The effect of price action

10:40 - Phantom's introduction to NFTs

12:05 - Is the NFT trade over?

14:32 - Phantom's approach to collecting

17:00 - Autoglyphs and onchain art

18:57 - The emotional connection with an artwork

20:46 - The power of an ugly aesthetic

21:50 - Are aesthetics dead?

22:30 - Lost Robbies and the value of an origin story

24:37 - An impulsive approach to art

28:40 - Bidding on the Giraffe, and understanding memetic value

34:30 - Social stickiness around NFTs

38:00 - The responsibility collectors have to engage and build cultural narrative

50:09 - Brevity, complexity and genuine analysis

52:45 - Phantom's thoughts on physical art

58:35 - The magic formula for a successful release process

01:05:46 - What grabs Phantom's attention

01:09:00 - Artie Galerie and the importance of consistency

01:11:30 - How to onboard new collectors

01:18:57 - Phantom's favourite piece in his collection

01:19:25 - Thoughts on chains, timeframes and liquidity

01:26:28 - Phantom's biggest misses and questionable buys

Phantom Scribbler: https://x.com/phantom_scribbs

Pipi Universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

skomra: https://x.com/skomra

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x_

Yuri jjjj: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Jay, Ivan, Jamie and Leyla sit down with Adam Berninger of Tender and Heft Gallery to dive into Heft's opening, the realities of opening a physical space, artist-gallery relationships, the culture casino and institutional vs influencer gatekeeping.

01:38 - Welcome Adam Berninger

03:50 - The relationship between Tender and Heft

07:49 - What inspired the move to a physical gallery model

12:30 - Connecting in person and object-hood

16:00 - The power of a digital community

18:55 - How digital ownership is understood from outside the space

20:40 - The financial pressures of a physical gallery

25:45 - Galvanising the New York digital art scene

27:40 - Artist-gallery relationships

37:20 - Heft's upcoming program

39:41 - Keeping a balance of blockchain-based and physical works

44:20 - Showcasing the digital art community to people outside

46:30 - The challenges of onboarding and making it sticky

48:02 - What's in Verse's pipeline, working with different galleries and voices

54:30 - Heft's site, Verse white labelling and potential opportunities

59:50 - An expanding gallery presence for digital art in New York

01:01:39 - Meeting and working with Edward Burtynsky

01:07:00 - Fx(hash) airdrop announcement

01:09:51 - Artworks being sold as coins, fractionalisation and editions

01:17:02 - Turning culture into a casino

01:22:10 - Everything is a simulacrum

01:25:41 - Reacting to market conditions and competition

01:32:20 - The bell curve meme takes on gatekeeping

01:40:10 - The issue with the lack of institutional knowledge

01:44:15 - The issue with lack of influencer knowledge

01:50:56 - Artist Highlights

01:56:31 - Verse rundown

Adam Berninger: https://x.com/adamberninger

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Skomra: https://x.com/skomra

Pipi universal: https://x.com/pipiuniversel

LEGIO_X: https://x.com/legio_x

YuriJJJJ: https://x.com/yuri_jjjj

Mika Ben Amar: https://x.com/100o111

Orkhan: https://x.com/orkhan_art

Kenny Schachter joins Jamie, Ivan and Leyla to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter

03:20 - Building an audience in a pre-internet world

06:30 - Embracing authenticity and integrity

09:00 - Art as a means of social expression

12:49 - Closed mindedness in the art world

15:35 - NFT-ism

19:35 - Dealing with criticism

23:03 - A new audience and the appeal of NFTs

25:40 - Rebuilding the reputation of the NFT space

32:01 - Will the art world and the NFT space ever merge?

35:15 - Presence, reputation and engaging with community

39:50 - Technology and the impact of the computer

44:07 - Surviving in the current landscape

50:12 - Institutional and critical impact vs social media

52:20 - Finding opportunity in failure

01:01:27 - William Mapan and Sketchbook B

01:05:12 - Generative art in 2025

01:09:00 - How do you help to break new artists

01:10:47 - Tinysoul, Zora and content coins

01:19:15 - The impact of monetisation on creativity

01:28:25 - A different outlook on consumption

01:32:17 - The problem with just coining it

01:41:25 - Rodeo's pivot to USD

01:48:27 - Pocobelli and crypto art

01:54:25 - Artist highlights

02:00:02 - Verse Rundown

This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value of independence and whether 'Artist' is a dead word.

00:50 - Welcome Jack Butcher

03:46 - Jack's practice in his own words

05:56 - Don't over think it

07:32 - Design vs Art

10:11 - Systems art and the internet as a canvas

18:05 - In-search of resonance

23:30 - Validation and recognition

26:05 - How useful is the term 'Artist'?

31:45 - The internet's huge unlock

35:50 - Effort does not equal value

38:00 - Independence, control and externalising your thinking

39:54 - Minting on instinct

43:00 - The power of a network

45:30 - Why is the industry so male orientated?

48:10 - Thoughts on exhibiting in a physical space

54:50 - Creating understanding and the issue with working outside the box

59:55 - Power laws and growing the network

01:05:15 - Making your process visible

01:11:50 - New projects, experiments and constraints

01:14:32 - AI as part of a creative practice

01:16:35 - Where we'll be in three years?

01:25:00 - News from across the space

01:29 50 - Embracing the intensity of the space

01:32:15 - Artist highlights

Jack Butcher: https://x.com/jackbutcher

Visualize Value: https://x.com/visualizevalue

Ed Atkins: https://www.instagram.com/edatkinsdiet

Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael

Heft: https://x.com/heft_gallery

Kevin Esherick: https://x.com/kev_esh

William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan