In this episode, your hosts dive into the dynamic between virgin vampires—newcomers to the swinger lifestyle—and elders who've been sipping from the chalice for a while. Drawing on their own experiences as both fledglings and now seasoned swingers, they explore what makes first encounters with newbies so rewarding, and how they guide fresh blood through those early steps with care, consent, and confidence—creating a safe, sexy, and memorable experience.

They also unpack why some elder vamps avoid playing with newcomers, diving into the assumptions, frustrations, and mismatched expectations that can surface on both sides. The hosts discuss common couple dynamics, especially how men often view the lifestyle through a black-and-white lens, while women tend to navigate in nuanced shades of gray.

Whether you're freshly turned or long-immortal in the scene, this episode offers real talk and valuable insight into the evolving dance between curiosity, experience, and connection.

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(00:00:00) Virgin Vampires

(00:01:35) Seasoned Vampires

(00:04:12) Trust is built over time

(00:05:28) The internal conflict

(00:06:23) Being ushered into the LS by seasoned Vampires

(00:07:45) Beliefs vs logical decisions

(00:08:49) We’ll take you under our wing

(00:10:44) Why we call swingers vampires

(00:13:31) Newbies are fun!

(00:16:09) Swinging is like going to Disneyland

(00:17:31) My ticket into heaven

(00:18:26) Benefits of playing with newbies

(00:21:13) Full dance cards

(00:23:55) Why we love virgin Vampires

(00:26:51) Virgin Vampires can change the dynamic

(00:30:27) Expect your first experiences to feel uncomfortable

(00:32:45) Some vintage Vamps steer clear of virgin Vampires

(00:34:54) Some of our best friendships are with virgin Vampires

(00:40:04) Playing with seasoned Vampires infrequently

(00:41:48) Playing with vintage vs virgin Vampires

(00:43:25) Reading the queues from your partner and play partners

(00:48:59) Navigating those ‘firsts’

(00:52:33) How men and women view ‘rules’ or ‘boundaries’ differently

(00:57:30) The ‘rules’ are different for men and women

(00:59:25) Traps and landmines

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In this candid and laugh-filled episode, hosts Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany dive into one of the more infamous phrases in the lifestyle world: 'Ten and Two,' commonly used to describe couples with a significant gap in perceived attractiveness. Your Two Plus Two crew unpacks the term with honesty, humor, and a healthy dose of self-awareness.

They explore the subjective nature of these so-called 'ratings,' acknowledging that everyone’s scale is different—and that beauty (and sexual chemistry) is subjective. The discussion then shifts to the more complex and sometimes divisive concept of 'taking one for the team.' With honesty and differing perspectives, your hosts engage in a thoughtful debate about the dynamics and emotional realities behind the decision to play—especially when attraction isn’t mutual on both sides.

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(00:00:00) A lifestyle term…Ten and Two

(00:01:33) They have to be at least a five

(00:03:49) ‘Ratings’ are subjective

(00:05:33) Peacocking strategy

(00:06:19) We’re here for sex

(00:09:08) Veto rights

(00:11:21) Be honest in your communication

(00:12:37) Ten and Two boggles the mind!

(00:13:17) Primal Sexual Rating

(00:15:46) How do Tens and Twos get together?

(00:18:11) Compensating factors or traits

(00:19:22) Opportunity and context play a role

(00:20:32) Cowboys…need we say more?

(00:22:41) Not our first choice, but we had fun

(00:25:37) Attraction is initially superficial

(00:27:04) Connecting with people on your ‘level’

(00:28:31) It’s easier to avoid conversations than get into awkward ones

(00:29:17) Fuck off, David Beckham!

(00:32:29) Staying open can pay dividends

(00:33:42) We typically don’t consider anyone below a five

(00:35:00) Easier to create experiences on LS vacations

(00:39:17) Some things aren’t possible with just your partner

(00:41:41) What does ‘taking one for the team’ mean?

(00:46:58) Have we taken one for the team

(00:47:50) If you’re not excited about a play experience…don’t do it!

(00:53:12) Fucking, sex and making love

(00:54:27) Finally! Zack & Josie explain ‘The Smudge’

(00:56:33) A game within the game

(00:57:43) I’d love to be your home run!

(00:59:40) I’m Brittany Bitch

(01:00:08) Zackology

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In this episode, Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany dive into the deliciously complicated world of picking play partners. Each share their personal preferences—what turns them on, what gives them pause, and how they navigate attraction within a shared dynamic.

The conversation gets flirty as they tease one another and share pet peeves and guilty pleasures, all while unpacking the deeper stuff: confidence, insecurities, and how to handle rejection without letting it bruise the ego.

It’s not just about individual desire—it’s about finding that mutual yes, where chemistry clicks for everyone involved. With laughter, vulnerability, and a few playful jabs, this episode is a candid look into how four people approach one of the most crucial parts of the lifestyle: choosing who to play with.

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(00:00:00) Having preferences is totally fine

(00:03:24) Attraction can grow through conversation and interaction

(00:04:34) You can’t be attracted to a personality from across the room

(00:05:50) The ‘fuckable’ switch and the scale system

(00:07:14) Variety, the spice of life!

(00:09:07) Throw me around, love Brittany!

(00:10:10) Interest ebbs and flows

(00:14:57) Accents!

(00:16:31) Bellies, blow jobs and eye contact

(00:17:58) Okay for larger people, but not trim, athletic people?

(00:19:09) Choosing play partners as a couple

(00:22:12) Confidence in choosing someone for your partner

(00:24:25) Is the lifestyle judgment free?

(00:25:36) Handling insecurity, tension, and stress in the lifestyle

(00:29:34) Insecurity IS a part of the lifestyle

(00:32:20) Lifestyle armor

(00:33:58) To beard or not to beard

(00:36:31) Superman cape or rationalization

(00:38:02) Rejection may not be about ‘you’

(00:39:29) It may just be awkward, not too late

(00:40:35) Personality; engagement and energy

(00:43:12) Engaging with others is more challenging for introverts

(00:44:44) Be authentic and vulnerable

(00:46:00) Figure out what you want and create those opportunities

(00:47:43) I’ll try anything twice

(00:50:27) ‘Clowning’ around about hair and other things

(00:55:20) You can expect to attract people similar to the level you groom yourself to

(00:59:16) Just say, ‘no’ to sandpaper

(01:01:45) Parting thoughts

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