Episodios

  • Firefighting And Firelighting Training
    Jun 24 2025

    In this episode of Tailgate Talks, Donald Forgione sits down with longtime friend and fire professional Zach Prusak to discuss the evolving world of online fire training. With decades of boots-on-the-ground experience and a passion for meaningful instruction, Zach shares how virtual learning can be effective, engaging, and even life-saving—when done right.

    Together, they dive into the challenges and opportunities of delivering fire training online, especially for park rangers, prescribed burn crews, and resource managers. From best practices in adult learning to practical tips for fireline leaders and instructors, this episode is packed with insights for anyone tasked with keeping teams safe and skilled in the digital age.

    Topics Covered:

    • What makes online fire training effective—and what doesn’t

    • Balancing hands-on field experience with virtual learning

    • Designing training that’s engaging, interactive, and memorable

    • How to reach newer staff with limited fireline exposure

    • The importance of storytelling and scenario-based learning

    • Advice for trainers building or leading virtual fire programs

    About the Guest:
    Zach Prusak has decades of fire and land management experience in both the public and private sectors. He's known nationwide for his work in prescribed fire, wildland fire safety, and workforce development. Zach combines practical field knowledge with instructional expertise to mentor the next generation of fire professionals.

    zprusak@talltimbers.org

    donald@tailgate-talks.com

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    38 m
  • Running In When Others Run Out: Leadership in Emergency Management
    Jun 10 2025

    🎙 Tailgate Talks with Donald Forgione
    Episode Title: Running In When Others Run Out: Leadership in Emergency Management
    Guest: Brian Pinson

    Show Notes:

    In this episode of Tailgate Talks, I sit down with Brian Pinson, a seasoned leader in environmental land management with nearly 30 years of frontline experience in wildfires, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Brian has led emergency response teams across the country and has built a career defined by courage, calm under pressure, and a commitment to service.

    When I served as Director of the Florida Park Service, Brian was the person I trusted to “run in when others were running out.” His wisdom and leadership style in high-stakes situations have influenced countless professionals in the field—and today, you get to hear directly from him.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • 🔥 What true leadership looks like during a crisis

    • 🌪 Lessons learned from managing hurricanes, wildfires, and multi-agency operations

    • 🧭 How to prepare your team before the emergency ever begins

    • 💬 Communicating effectively under stress

    • 💡 The importance of humility, trust, and clear-headed decision-making

    • 👥 Building teams that function when the pressure is highest

    Brian shares practical advice and personal stories that will resonate with anyone responsible for parks, public lands, emergency planning, or staff safety.

    Key Quote:
    "Leadership is forged long before the storm ever hits. It’s about building trust, setting expectations, and training for the worst so you can deliver your best." – Brian Pinson

    Resources & Mentions:
    If you’d like to reach out to Brian or learn more about emergency leadership best practices, you can contact him at: bstobee@gmail.com

    Connect with Donald Forgione:
    🌐 www.tailgate-talks.com
    📧 donald@tailgate-talks.com
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    If this episode sparked new ideas or reaffirmed your commitment to leadership, share it with a fellow park professional or emergency responder. Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review—your support helps keep these important conversations going.

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    36 m
  • Episode 100; The Journey So Far
    May 28 2025
    Welcome to Tailgate Talks, where we gather around the tailgate to talk about the places we love, the people who steward them, and the leadership it takes to make it all happen. I'm your host, Donald Forgione—and today is a special day. This is Episode 100. That's right—Tailgate Talks has officially hit triple digits. When I launched this podcast, my goal was simple: to create something meaningful for park, forestry, and wildlife professionals, recreation leaders, conservationists, friend groups, concessionaires, and anyone who finds purpose in the great outdoors. I never imagined how far we'd come or how many of you would tune in from all 50 states and other countries. Over the past 100 episodes, we've shared stories from the field, explored leadership lessons, learned from the successes and challenges of others, and sparked meaningful conversations about stewardship, innovation, and community. We've laughed, we've listened, and we've leaned into what makes our work so special. I've spoken with rangers, directors, volunteers, authors, professors, and trailblazers—each with a story that has helped shape our field and inspire our listeners. And through it all, the message has been clear: this work matters. Your work matters. Nature matters. People matter. And leadership—humble, consistent, values-driven leadership—matters. And personally? It's changed me. Every episode has taught me something new, and I am deeply grateful for the growth, connection, and purpose this podcast has brought into my life. Alongside Tailgate Talks, I've had the joy of cowriting The Ecotourism Providers Handbook. That book was a labor of love—an effort to capture best management practices, hard lessons, and the tools that help responsible providers share our wild spaces in meaningful, respectful ways. Many of you have told me it's helped you start something new or strengthen what you're already doing. Thank you for that feedback—it means the world to me. And more recently, I've taken a new leap—into the world of children's literature. I'm thrilled to announce my upcoming book series: The Ranger's Wild Adventure Trio. It features Briar Bear, Silas Squirrel, and Ollie Otter—three friends who hike, learn, and grow through wilderness adventures and the wisdom of their guide, Ranger Riley. The first title, Briar Bear's Journey to the Bear Tree, will be available for sale in your gift shop this Fall and in bookstores next spring. This series is for the next generation of nature lovers—kids who, I hope, will one day be our rangers, our scientists, our educators, and our advocates. It's whimsical and fun but grounded in real environmental education and park experiences. Just like this podcast, it's about connection—to nature, to history, and one another. But we're not done yet. We're just getting started. As we look to the future of Tailgate Talks, I would like to invite you to be part of what's next. I'm exploring the idea of creating a membership group—a place where listeners can connect beyond the podcast. A community where we can continue the conversation after each episode, share ideas, and grow together as professionals and as people. What do you think? I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm also considering hosting an annual event—a Ranger Retreat gathering where park, forestry, and wildlife professionals, conservationists, and outdoor leaders from all levels and agencies can come together. No matter your role or where you work, this would be a place to meet like-minded folks, swap stories, build connections, and leave inspired. Think of it as a live version of the tailgate—full of learning, networking, and camaraderie. Would you come? Let me know! And what about video? Would you like to see and hear the conversations? It's something I'm exploring, and your feedback is greatly appreciated. And remember, Tailgate Talks isn't just a podcast. It's part of the larger work I do through Donald Forgione, LLC, offering leadership coaching, consulting, speaking, and training to recreation and conservation agencies and professionals. Whether you're developing your team, launching a project, or trying to elevate your agency—I'd be honored to help. This podcast has brought me immense joy, and it wouldn't be possible without you—my listeners, my friends, and my colleagues in the field. If this podcast has ever made you smile, taught you something new, or helped you feel connected to the mission we all share, please send me a note. If you email me at donald@tailgate-talks.com, I'll send you a Tailgate Talks sticker as a token of appreciation for being part of this milestone. And hey—maybe you have a story to share. Want to be a guest on the podcast? Reach out! I'm always looking for real stories from real people doing the real work of recreation, conservation, and leadership. To my family, past guests, and so many others—thank you for your support. To every park ranger who's cleared a trail, welcomed a visitor,...
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  • Part Two: So You're a Park Manager Now: Tips, Truths, and Transitions
    May 13 2025

    In this follow-up conversation, Donald Forgione reconnects with Minnesota's State Park Managers, Katie Foshay (Tettegouche & George H. Crosby Manitou State Parks) and Nate Springer (Gooseberry Falls State Park), to continue the insightful dialogue on the challenges, lessons, and successes of stepping into senior park leadership. Building on their previous episode, Katie and Nate share what’s changed since we last spoke—what they’ve learned, grown, and handled new complexities as site managers.

    Listen to honest reflections and practical advice for up-and-coming park professionals. We also dive into mentorship, work-life balance, and what it means to be responsible for an entire park operation.

    Whether you're a seasoned park leader or just entering the profession, this episode is packed with relatable stories, real-world wisdom, and encouragement for all levels of leadership.

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    38 m
  • Facilitating Tough Community Meetings with Grace and Grit
    Apr 29 2025

    In this episode of Tailgate Talks, host Donald Forgione welcomes back Phil Gaines, retired Director of South Carolina State Parks, for a timely and insightful conversation on the delicate art of community engagement.

    Together, they explore the techniques and strategies needed to facilitate stakeholder meetings—especially when working with groups who have deep emotional and historical ties to a project. Topics covered include:

    • Effective planning and preparation for community meetings

    • The importance of room layout and setting the tone before anyone speaks

    • The art of listening—truly hearing concerns, not just responding

    • Skillful questioning to uncover root issues and opportunities

    • Building authentic trust, even amid disagreement

    • Ensuring all voices feel heard, valued, and respected

    Phil and Donald also share real-world stories, hard-earned lessons, and tips for preventing meetings from becoming unproductive or contentious. Whether you're a park professional, community leader, or project facilitator, this episode is packed with practical advice for turning community challenges into collaborative success stories.

    Key Takeaways:

    • Successful stakeholder engagement starts long before the meeting begins.

    • How a room is set up can send a powerful message.

    • Listening is a skill—and a strategy.

    • Trust is built through consistency, authenticity, and small gestures that show respect.

    • Conflict is not the enemy—poor facilitation is.

    Connect with Us:
    Visit donaldforgione.com to learn more about Tailgate Talks and upcoming episodes.

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  • “So You’re a Park Manager Now: Tips, Truths, and Transitions”
    Apr 15 2025

    In this episode of Tailgate Talks, Donald Forgione welcomes two rising leaders in Minnesota’s state park system—Nate Springer, Park Supervisor at Gooseberry Falls State Park, and Katie Foshay, Park Manager of Tettegouche and George H. Crosby Manitou State Parks.

    Nate and Katie sit down for a candid conversation about what it’s really like to step into park management. From staffing and operations to public expectations and personal growth, they share the surprises, challenges, and lessons they’ve already learned on the job.

    This episode is packed with practical tips for new and aspiring park managers—and a few laughs too—as the guests take over the mic and ask Donald their own questions in a special Tailgate Takeover format.

    Whether you’re managing your first park or mentoring the next generation, this episode offers insight, encouragement, and a behind-the-scenes look at what leadership in parks really means.

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    26 m
  • Director To Director: Park Hopping with Phil Gaines
    Apr 1 2025

    In this captivating episode, host Donald Forgione is joined by Phil Gaines, the retired Director of South Carolina State Parks and a current Professor of Practice at Clemson University's Department of Parks, Recreation, and Tourism Management. Together, they embark on an insightful journey through three of Florida's remarkable state parks: Devil's Millhopper Geological State Park, Dudley Farm Historic State Park, and Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park.

    Donald and Phil delve into the unique features and management practices of each park, sharing fascinating stories and historical insights:

    • Devil's Millhopper Geological State Park: Phil and Donald discover the wonders of this National Natural Landmark, featuring a 120-foot-deep, 500-foot-wide sinkhole that harbors a miniature rainforest ecosystem. They learned about the park's geology, the diverse flora and fauna within the sinkhole, and the efforts to preserve this geological marvel.
    • Dudley Farm Historic State Park: Phil and Donald stepped back in time to experience Florida's farming heritage from the 1850s to the mid-20th century. They explored the authentic working farm, complete with original buildings and period-dressed staff performing daily chores, and gained an understanding of the significance of preserving this slice of history.
    • Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park: Phil and Donald uncovered the rich biodiversity of Florida's first state preserve, home to wild bison, horses, alligators, and over 270 species of birds. They discuss the park's historical significance, its role in conservation, and the challenges of managing such a diverse habitat.

    Throughout the episode, Donald and Phil reflect on their experiences in park management, the importance of conservation, and the stories that make these parks treasures of Florida's natural and cultural landscape.

    Bios:

    • Phil Gaines: With a 38-year career at the South Carolina Department of Parks, Recreation, and Tourism, Phil served as Director for 13 years. Following his retirement, he continues to contribute to the field as a Professor of Practice at Clemson University, where he focuses on developing future leaders in parks and recreation management. ​
    • Donald Forgione: Director of Florida State Parks (ret), Author, Keynote Speaker. Donald brings decades of experience in park management and conservation. As host of this podcast, he shares his passion for the outdoors, storytelling, and preserving the natural and cultural resources of our parks.
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  • Director to Director: Stakeholder Engagement
    Mar 18 2025

    Director to Director: Stakeholder Engagement

    Join host Donald Forgione on the Tailgate as he welcomes Craig Seaver, retired Park Ranger and former Director of Virginia State Parks, for an insightful conversation on the power of community engagement. With decades of experience in stakeholder relations, Craig shares proven strategies for building strong, lasting partnerships with communities, advocacy groups, and elected officials.

    In this episode, Craig and Donald discuss:
    ✅ The importance of stakeholder engagement in park and recreation management
    ✅ How to foster relationships with key partners and decision-makers
    ✅ Effective strategies for public relations and advocacy
    ✅ Lessons learned from years in leadership—from field ranger to director
    ✅ Real-world examples of successful community collaborations

    Whether you’re a park professional, public servant, or leader in outdoor recreation, this episode is packed with practical advice on navigating partnerships, earning trust, and leveraging relationships to support parks and public lands.

    🎧 Tune in now and discover the art of stakeholder engagement from one of the best in the field!

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    30 m