Are you tired of being tired? This week’s guest, Shawna Robins, is here to shake up everything you thought you knew about sleep—and show you how to reclaim your energy, naturally and holistically. Shawna is the bestselling author of Powerful Sleep: Rest Deeply, Repair Your Brain, and Restore Your Life, CEO of Kaia Health and Wellness, and the visionary behind the women’s platform, Third Spark.

Her story is deeply inspiring: a cancer diagnosis at age 30 launched her into a transformative healing journey—one that eventually led her to discover the true power of sleep and how it connects to our gut, hormones, stress, and even our generational wellbeing. Shawna has since helped thousands break free from caffeine dependence, balance their bodies, and finally experience the kind of restorative sleep we all crave.

And Shawna’s sleep discoveries continued to be deeply personal. She shares how watching her father struggle with Alzheimer’s opened her eyes to the connection between poor sleep and long-term brain health. You’ll hear the powerful ways we can support our brains now to help reduce our risk for neurodegenerative conditions later in life.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why sleep (not hustle) is the real superpower
• How to create a sleep sanctuary and unwind with intention
• What gut health, hormones, and caffeine all have to do with your ability to sleep
• The eye-opening link between deep sleep, brain detox, and Alzheimer’s prevention
• Shawna’s personal rituals and expert tips for getting 8+ hours of deep, restful sleep

Whether you’re a sleep struggler or wellness seeker, this conversation is your invitation to rethink your relationship with rest. You’ll come away with practical tools and empowering wisdom that just might change your nights—and your life.

MORE FROM SHAWNA ROBINS

• Grab her book: Powerful Sleep
• Explore Third Spark: thirdspark.com
• Follow her on Instagram: @thirdsparkhealth

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It’s Woo News time, with Robyn, Karen, Lisa and Noel — and we’re serving up another round of spiritual headlines with a side of soul.

This week: “Leisure crafting” is the research-backed way to recharge (yes, turning your hobbies into wellness wins is now science). Azealia Banks drops some guided meditations because SURE, why not. Trendy mushroom bars are suddenly the wellness scene, and a pet psychic uncovers the root cause of one puppy’s mysterious illness — and yep, we’ve got thoughts.

Whether you’re feeling aligned or a little off-kilter, we’ve got the stories, laughs, and reminders you didn’t know you needed. Tune in for real talk, cosmic inspo, and maybe a gentle nudge to make “seeking” your new favorite hobby.

Let’s make woo feel less whoa and way more yes please.

News + Tech

• Research: How “Leisure Crafting” Can Help You Recharge
• Reiki During Chemo Relieves Some Symptoms, Study Finds

Trends

• Mushroom Bars: The Unexpected Fusion of Wellness and Indulgence

People + Products

• Trust Your Subconscious in the Hands of Azealia Banks
• Jeremy Renner and the Science of Extraordinary Near-Death Experiences
• Woman Visits a Pet Psychic After Her Dog Gets Sick. She Was Shocked by What Happened Next
• Dining across the divide: ‘She casts meditation as a cult. I don’t think retreats mean harm’

Misc

• What do asteroids mean in astrology — and how to work with them

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We are cracking open a conversation that bridges brains and vibes. Think: science meets soul, data meets divine downloads, and mental health meets manifestation.

We’re joined by two brilliant beings who are not only trailblazing individually but are also teaming up to flip the script on what it means to truly heal and thrive—Cody Isabel and Chloe Deutscher, co-hosts of The Decision Lab Podcast.

MEET OUR GUESTS
Cody brings the science—he’s a cognitive neuroscientist turned entrepreneur using AI, neurotech, and IFS psychotherapy to heal trauma and unlock human potential and specifically focused on innovative ways to heal Complex PTSD and empower high achievers and trauma survivors to live resilient, purpose-driven lives. He is the founder + CEO of Mind Brain Body Lab and the founder of MyCompanion. Ultimately, he is working to empower billions to pursue lives of purpose, bridging wellness and technology in ways that elevate humanity.

Chloe brings the soul—she’s a chemical engineer turned wellness alchemist, empowering women to embody their full potential through somatic practices, biohacking, and manifestation. Chloe has spent six years building and working in start-ups across neuroscience, psychedelics, and the supplement and wellness industries.

WHAT WE TALK ABOUT

• How science supports energy healing + intuition
• Internal Family Systems therapy vs. traditional therapy
• Practical tools to regulate your nervous system (getting out of fight or flight!)
• Why your wellness practices might need a reset
• How to know what’s actually helpful vs. just hype (aka cold plunge!)

WHY YOU'LL LOVE IT
Together, they’re not only co-creating conversations about the future of mental health and wellness, they’re walking the talk in their own powerful ways.

If you've ever wondered what’s possible when you combine cutting-edge tech with heart-centered intention…or how to practically heal trauma while reconnecting with your soul’s purpose…this is the episode for you.

CONNECT WITH CODY + CHLOE

• Instagram – @mindbrainbodylab | @chloegoesinward
• TikTok – @mindbrainbodylab | @chloegoesinward
• Website – mindbrainbodylab.com

🎧 Listen to their podcast: The Decision Lab

Episode Mentioned: Ep. 27: Can Calm Be Instant? w/ JP Errico

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Ohhh this one’s juicy — and necessary. In this soul therapy session, Robyn is joined by her soul sister Dr. Amy Robbins (yes, that Amy Robbins — psychologist, intuitive, medium, and host of Life, Death, and the Space Between) to talk all things energetic boundaries. Ever felt like you picked up someone else’s mood just by standing next to them in line… or found yourself utterly exhausted after a Zoom that should’ve taken 20 minutes? Yep. Your energy might be leaking. And no, that’s not as cute as it sounds.

Robyn and Amy go there — breaking down what energetic boundaries really are, how to know when yours have been invaded, and the everyday rituals (some sacred, some super practical) that can protect your light without dimming your heart. They explore how trauma and people-pleasing mess with your energetic field, why guilt shows up when you say “no,” and how understanding your own energy is the ultimate spiritual flex.

Whether you’re new to this or you’ve got 15 crystal bracelets on as we speak (we see you!), this episode is a permission slip to guard your vibe like the treasure it is.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• What “energetic boundaries” really are — and why they matter more than ever
• How to tell the difference between your energy and someone else’s (and why that’s life-changing)
• Simple, powerful rituals to protect and clear your energy — golden light, sound healing, Swiss cheese...we said what we said
• Why guilt shows up when you set boundaries — and how to move through it
• How trauma impacts your ability to say no (and what to do about it)
• Why you are still your own best healer

MORE FROM DR AMY ROBBINS
Visit dramyarobbins.com
Listen to her podcast: Life, Death, and the Space Between

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In all of our episodes, we've yet to discuss something that so many of us crave, sometimes struggle with, and are also absolutely meant to experience—love and connection.

Today’s guest had us at…“The biggest predictor of your dating success is… your ENERGY.”

Umm… YES. And where were you when we were looking for our forever after?!

Say hello to Amy Nobile Messing, the founder of Love, Amy — a dating coaching service that is seriously changing the game. Amy’s not your typical ‘dating coach’ — she’s your right-hand wing woman, your cheerleader, your truth-teller — and she approaches dating in the most soul-centered, real, and refreshing way.

Amy blends the energy of human connection with the realities of modern-day dating apps — and trust us, you are going to want her secrets. She’s here to help you figure out who you really are, what you truly want, and how to actually enjoy the journey of finding your person.

Plus, Amy’s an Oprah-featured, best-selling author, a total communications guru, a podcast host, and, oh yeah — she’s also super tuned in on a spiritual and intuitive level.. That means when you work with her, Spirit might just have a few things to say to you that will end up helping your love life, too.

What makes Amy’s approach so powerful is that she helps you explore:

• Who you really are — beneath the patterns and personas
• What you truly want — from your heart and your soul
• How to stay grounded and aligned as you seek meaningful connection

And spoiler alert: it all starts with how you show up energetically.

Whether you’re new to dating, re-entering the world of relationships, or simply curious about calling in deeper, truer love — this episode offers a new lens for understanding your love life… and yourself.

Your soul story starts now.

MORE FROM AMY NOBILE MESSING

• Visit loveamy.co to find out more about Amy's offerings, books, podcast and more!
• Listen to Amy's podcast: It Only Takes One
• Follow her on Instagram @love.amy.nyc

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If April had you feeling like you were tossed in a cosmic washing machine—fast, fiery, and all over the place—you’re not alone. May brings a different kind of energy. One that invites you to pause, feel deeply, and listen closely to what your soul is trying to say. We’re joined by our dear friend and Tarot Therapist Michelle Nolan to get the intuitive download for May—and this month is giving full-on Taurus vibes: grounding, heart-opening, and deeply transformational.

This month asks us to slow down enough to actually feel. Not just surface-level stuff, but the real, raw, soul-level sensations that we often avoid. It’s about coming home to your heart and allowing yourself to feel what’s been pushed aside—grief, joy, hope, uncertainty—and then choosing, from that honest place, what’s next. May wants you to choose love over fear. Faith over control. Trust over doubt.

Michelle pulled the Ace of Cups to kick things off—pure heart chakra energy. It’s a reminder that your heart knows the way, even when your mind wants all the details. You don’t have to have it all figured out. You just have to be willing to choose love and trust the Universe to guide your next steps.

• 00:14 Reflecting on April's Energies
• 00:29 Taurus Energy and Sensuality
• 01:19 Collective and Personal Energies
• 02:31 Opening the Session for Channeling
• 02:59 Taurus Heart and Sensuality
• 04:59 Ace of Cups and Heart Chakra
• 07:23 Navigating Choices and Intuition
• 12:42 Trusting the Flow of Life
• 14:39 Combining 3D World and Spiritual Energy
• 16:25 Manifestation and Co-Creation
• 17:35 Embracing the Journey
• 19:10 Embracing Subtle Nudges and High Vibration Optimism
• 20:47 Navigating the Heart of May: Embracing All Emotions
• 22:55 Challenges of Isolation and Connection
• 27:24 End of May: Confronting the Past and Choosing Love Over Fear
• 38:19 Final Thoughts and Guidance for the Month Imagine it like walking down a moonlit path—at first you can’t see much, but as your eyes adjust, the way forward reveals itself.

May is about surrendering to that process. It’s not passive—it’s powerfully intentional. It’s about aligning with your inner truth, and then letting the Universe meet you halfway.

This is the month to say: I trust myself. I trust the timing. I trust the unfolding. We’re not in this alone. There’s a bigger energy at play—and it’s here to support our expansion. So what would shift if you made your next decision from a place of love and faith instead of fear and “what ifs”?

We dive deep into all of it in this episode—plus, Michelle shares how to work with May’s energy and how your own alignment can ripple out and uplift the collective. Because that’s what this month is also about—individual healing as a path to collective transformation.

WORK WITH MICHELLE Reach out to her at m@mtnolan.com

LISTEN OR WATCH Navigating 2025 with Tarot Wisdom from Michelle Nolan

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On Seeking Center, we’re all about uncovering the deeper layers of life—together. We talk about the moments that break us open, the people who help guide us back to ourselves, and the practices that support us along the way.

Today’s episode is personal, powerful, and full of truth.

Robyn's honored to be joined by Toni Collins Duffy—you may recognize her from ESPN or Univision. She spent years in front of the camera, working in high-profile roles. But behind the scenes, she was navigating an entirely different journey—one of inner disconnection and a quiet, but growing awareness that something needed to change.

That change came through her work with Lizzi Cutler—you all know her as a Seeking Center guide, extraordinary intuitive and energy healing practitioner. Through their sessions together, Toni began to peel back the layers, heal deep-rooted trauma, and reconnect with the strength and truth that had been within her all along—across lifetimes.

And so today, we get to witness that journey—together. Toni and Lizzi are both here to share this powerful story: of spiritual awakening, of soul remembrance, and of healing that begins from the inside out.

✨ Whether you're feeling stuck, burned out, or like you're living a life that no longer feels like your own — this episode is for you. It’s a reminder that there is a path back to your center — and you're never alone in finding it. ✨

We dive into:

• What it’s really like behind the glam of a high-profile career.
• How self-criticism and fear can take root — and how energy work helps heal them.
• The transformational power of listening to your inner voice (even when it’s scary).
• How to begin remembering who you truly are — and step back into your own light.

Spoiler alert: It’s not just about changing your life — it’s about coming home to yourself. And that version of you is absolutely unstoppable. 💥

WORK WITH LIZZI CUTLER

• Visit lizzicutler.com to find out more about working with Lizzi.
• Join Lizzi this Sunday, May 4 with Astrologer Stevie Calista for their Scorpio Full Moon Activation.

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We’ve got a juicy one for you this week—and it just might crack your heart open in the best possible way. 💗

If you’ve been feeling stuck, burned out, or like your soul’s been whispering “something’s gotta shift”—this episode is for you.

We’re taking you to Sedona, where the energy is potent and the transformation is real. Meet the founders of High Vibe Collective, a Sedona-based sanctuary for soul-aligned living and intentional healing retreats.

✨ Stephanie Lytle is a spiritual entrepreneur and manifesting powerhouse who helps people break through limiting beliefs and step into the life they actually want to be living.

✨ Aaron Douglas is a peaceful bodywork practitioner, craniosacral therapist, and yoga instructor whose work helps people reconnect to their bodies—and create new patterns of peace and presence.

Together, they’re holding space for deep healing, self-discovery, and aligned manifestation, one high-vibe retreat at a time.

💫 In this episode, you’ll hear:

• The story behind Stephanie’s spiritual awakening (hint: it involves her dog + divine timing)
• Aaron’s path to full embodiment
• How craniosacral therapy and body-based practices can unlock deep healing
• What it actually means to “live high-vibe”—and how to get there
• The magic of community, synchronicity, and listening to the call of your soul
• Why Sedona’s mystical energy just hits different (and how it can transform you, too)
• Releasing stuck energy + manifesting a life that lights you up
• What it means to really listen to your soul
• The power of Sedona’s energy vortexes to activate personal change

Whether you’re in the middle of a life pivot, looking to shake off some emotional sludge, or simply craving something more—this conversation is your permission slip to seek, shift, and align.

✨ Ready to explore your own high-vibe life?
Learn more about planning a transformational retreat with High Vibe Collective at sedonahighvibes.com

📲 Connect with them on Instagram: @sedonahighvibes

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