Are you tired of being tired? This week’s guest, Shawna Robins, is here to shake up everything you thought you knew about sleep—and show you how to reclaim your energy, naturally and holistically. Shawna is the bestselling author of Powerful Sleep: Rest Deeply, Repair Your Brain, and Restore Your Life, CEO of Kaia Health and Wellness, and the visionary behind the women’s platform, Third Spark.

Her story is deeply inspiring: a cancer diagnosis at age 30 launched her into a transformative healing journey—one that eventually led her to discover the true power of sleep and how it connects to our gut, hormones, stress, and even our generational wellbeing. Shawna has since helped thousands break free from caffeine dependence, balance their bodies, and finally experience the kind of restorative sleep we all crave.

And Shawna’s sleep discoveries continued to be deeply personal. She shares how watching her father struggle with Alzheimer’s opened her eyes to the connection between poor sleep and long-term brain health. You’ll hear the powerful ways we can support our brains now to help reduce our risk for neurodegenerative conditions later in life.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why sleep (not hustle) is the real superpower
• How to create a sleep sanctuary and unwind with intention
• What gut health, hormones, and caffeine all have to do with your ability to sleep
• The eye-opening link between deep sleep, brain detox, and Alzheimer’s prevention
• Shawna’s personal rituals and expert tips for getting 8+ hours of deep, restful sleep

Whether you’re a sleep struggler or wellness seeker, this conversation is your invitation to rethink your relationship with rest. You’ll come away with practical tools and empowering wisdom that just might change your nights—and your life.

MORE FROM SHAWNA ROBINS

• Grab her book: Powerful Sleep
• Explore Third Spark: thirdspark.com
• Follow her on Instagram: @thirdsparkhealth

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It’s Woo News time, with Robyn, Karen, Lisa and Noel — and we’re serving up another round of spiritual headlines with a side of soul.

This week: “Leisure crafting” is the research-backed way to recharge (yes, turning your hobbies into wellness wins is now science). Azealia Banks drops some guided meditations because SURE, why not. Trendy mushroom bars are suddenly the wellness scene, and a pet psychic uncovers the root cause of one puppy’s mysterious illness — and yep, we’ve got thoughts.

Whether you’re feeling aligned or a little off-kilter, we’ve got the stories, laughs, and reminders you didn’t know you needed. Tune in for real talk, cosmic inspo, and maybe a gentle nudge to make “seeking” your new favorite hobby.

Let’s make woo feel less whoa and way more yes please.

News + Tech

• Research: How “Leisure Crafting” Can Help You Recharge
• Reiki During Chemo Relieves Some Symptoms, Study Finds

Trends

• Mushroom Bars: The Unexpected Fusion of Wellness and Indulgence

People + Products

• Trust Your Subconscious in the Hands of Azealia Banks
• Jeremy Renner and the Science of Extraordinary Near-Death Experiences
• Woman Visits a Pet Psychic After Her Dog Gets Sick. She Was Shocked by What Happened Next
• Dining across the divide: ‘She casts meditation as a cult. I don’t think retreats mean harm’

Misc

• What do asteroids mean in astrology — and how to work with them

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We are cracking open a conversation that bridges brains and vibes. Think: science meets soul, data meets divine downloads, and mental health meets manifestation.

We’re joined by two brilliant beings who are not only trailblazing individually but are also teaming up to flip the script on what it means to truly heal and thrive—Cody Isabel and Chloe Deutscher, co-hosts of The Decision Lab Podcast.

MEET OUR GUESTS
Cody brings the science—he’s a cognitive neuroscientist turned entrepreneur using AI, neurotech, and IFS psychotherapy to heal trauma and unlock human potential and specifically focused on innovative ways to heal Complex PTSD and empower high achievers and trauma survivors to live resilient, purpose-driven lives. He is the founder + CEO of Mind Brain Body Lab and the founder of MyCompanion. Ultimately, he is working to empower billions to pursue lives of purpose, bridging wellness and technology in ways that elevate humanity.

Chloe brings the soul—she’s a chemical engineer turned wellness alchemist, empowering women to embody their full potential through somatic practices, biohacking, and manifestation. Chloe has spent six years building and working in start-ups across neuroscience, psychedelics, and the supplement and wellness industries.

WHAT WE TALK ABOUT

• How science supports energy healing + intuition
• Internal Family Systems therapy vs. traditional therapy
• Practical tools to regulate your nervous system (getting out of fight or flight!)
• Why your wellness practices might need a reset
• How to know what’s actually helpful vs. just hype (aka cold plunge!)

WHY YOU'LL LOVE IT
Together, they’re not only co-creating conversations about the future of mental health and wellness, they’re walking the talk in their own powerful ways.

If you've ever wondered what’s possible when you combine cutting-edge tech with heart-centered intention…or how to practically heal trauma while reconnecting with your soul’s purpose…this is the episode for you.

CONNECT WITH CODY + CHLOE

• Instagram – @mindbrainbodylab | @chloegoesinward
• TikTok – @mindbrainbodylab | @chloegoesinward
• Website – mindbrainbodylab.com

🎧 Listen to their podcast: The Decision Lab

Episode Mentioned: Ep. 27: Can Calm Be Instant? w/ JP Errico

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