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Simon Wardley - Thought Lord, Mapper, Mostly Good
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant

RESOURCES
Simon
https://bsky.app/profile/swardley.bsky.social
https://me.dm/@swardley
https://twitter.com/swardley
https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonwardley
https://swardley.medium.com

Charles
https://bsky.app/profile/charleshumble.bsky.social
https://linkedin.com/in/charleshumble
https://mastodon.social/@charleshumble
https://conissaunce.com

Links
https://www.wardleymaps.com
https://mapkeep.com
https://miro.com

DESCRIPTION
Simon Wardley and Charles Humble discuss the development of Wardley Mapping, a visual framework that helps organizations understand and navigate technological evolution. Moving beyond traditional business storytelling, the interview explores how mapping enables better strategic decision-making through understanding component evolution, inertia, and gameplay, while also addressing current technological shifts in AI and cyber-physical systems.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Simon Wardley • Wardley Maps
Simon Wardley • Wardley Mapping, The Knowledge
Sun Tzu • The Art of War
Jonathan Allen & Thomas Blood • Reaching Cloud Velocity
Mark Craddock • Wardley Mapping Doctrine
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Erik Schön • The Art Of Strategy

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Simon Rohrer - Co-Author of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" & Senior Director at Saxo Bank
Eduardo da Sliva - Independent Consultant on Organization, Architecture, and Leadership Modernization

RESOURCES
Simon
https://bsky.app/profile/simon.bvssh.com
https://mastodon.social/@simonr
https://x.com/sirohrer
https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonrohrer
https://github.com/sirohrer
https://www.soonersaferhappier.com

Eduardo
https://bsky.app/profile/esilva.net
https://mastodon.social/@eduardodasilva
https://x.com/emgsilva
https://www.linkedin.com/in/emgsilva
https://github.com/emgsilva
https://esilva.net

DESCRIPTION
Eduardo da Silva and Simon Rohrer discuss the core ideas of "Better Value Sooner Safer Happier" diving into the principles of organizational transformation.

Simon shares insights on the shift from output-driven to outcome-focused thinking, emphasizing value over productivity, and the need for continuous improvement in delivery speed, stakeholder satisfaction, and safety.
The conversation explores key concepts like technical excellence, integrating safety into development, and balancing incremental changes with occasional larger steps.

Simon Rohrer discusses organizational patterns and the importance of decentralizing decision-making, recommending a flexible, context-driven approach to transformation. The session concludes with practical advice on how to start implementing these ideas, using the book’s map to guide organizations toward the right transformation strategy based on their specific goals.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jonathan Smart, Zsolt Berend, Myles Ogilvie & Simon Rohrer • Sooner Safer Happier
Stephen Fishman & Matt McLarty • Unbundl

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Manuel Pais - Co-Author of the Book "Team Topologies"
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS

RESOURCES
Manuel
https://x.com/manupaisable
https://www.manuelpais.net
https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuelpais
https://github.com/manupaisable

Julian
https://bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com
https://twitter.com/julian_wood
http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood

Links
https://teamtopologies.com
https://academy.teamtopologies.com
https://www.teamperature.com
https://itrevolution.com
https://matthewskelton.com

DESCRIPTION
Manuel Pais, co-author of Team Topologies, shares his journey in shaping modern organizational design for fast-flow efficiency with Julian Wood. Reflecting on the widespread impact of the book, Manuel explores how its principles have enabled organizations to redefine team structures, streamline value delivery, and balance cognitive load.

The discussion covers communication challenges, the evolution of platform engineering, and strategies for iterative team reorganization. Manuel also addresses the growing influence of AI in software development, emphasizing the need for human oversight, strategic alignment with value streams, and enabling teams to harness AI effectively. With insights from real-world implementations and evolving trends, this episode provides a comprehensive guide to building adaptable, customer-focused, and innovative organizations.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies
Susanne Kaiser • Adaptive Systems With Domain-Driven Design, Wardley Mapping & Team Topologies
Heidi Helfand • Dynam

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