In this episode of Building A Life and Business Together, Stephanie and I go for a walk and talk through what’s been unfolding behind the scenes personally, spiritually, and creatively.

We begin by reflecting on the return of Encouraging Others Through Christ and the two episodes we recorded together this week. Stephanie shares why, even though she showed up for those powerful conversations, EOTC isn’t her regular space and never has been. Her spiritual journey is lived, not preached. And her presence, not her performance, is the transmission.

We also unpack the difference between our podcasts, why BLBT is a co-created rhythm of our daily life, while EOTC is a more personal chronicle of my spiritual expansion and the journey I’ve been walking since 2020.

From there, we take a turn into a deeper conversation about what “creative work” really means. Stephanie opens up about the energetic weight of clutter in our home, the emotional toll of trying to stay productive when her environment feels chaotic, and her desire to move into new expressions while still tied to old responsibilities.

We reframe what creativity looks like when it’s not content.

When it’s not monetized.

When it’s just… alignment.

We talk about living room redesigns, forgotten guest rooms, parenting philosophies, and the difference between being a father and being a dad. We even touch on why I turned down an invitation to be interviewed on a parenting podcast and what that says about how I want to show up in the world now.

This episode isn’t polished. It’s real.

It’s another step in our walk as whole, evolving beings. Living, loving, and aligning together in real time.

And we’re grateful to share it with you.

In this episode, Stephanie and I take you behind the scenes of what’s been unfolding in both of our lives personally, spiritually, and creatively.

Stephanie shares a beautiful breakthrough about her long-awaited book. What began as a podcast title she loved, Unscripted Becoming, revealed itself to be something else entirely. It wasn’t a podcast title. It was the name of her book. And not just a book... a quiet, soul-level transmission of her journey to freedom.

As she found clarity around the book’s title and the podcast’s purpose, I reflected on my own recent alignment. From publicly sharing episode 765 (This Is Not a Business, This Is Devotion) to rewriting every word of my website, this season is about integrating everything I once kept behind the curtain.

We talk about the power of stillness, the meaning of silence, the return of our daughter McKenna, and even plans for a future move. But underneath it all is this shared truth: we are no longer building a life and business from the mind. We’re building it from the heart. Together.

This episode captures the shift.

The becoming.

The walk between what was and what’s next.

This episode is a walking meditation on presence, alignment, and the soul-level rhythm of partnership.

Cliff and Stephanie step into a conversation that flows with ease: unscripted, unhurried, and alive with metaphor. As they reflect on their new walking ritual, what emerges is a deep remembering: connection doesn’t require structure. It requires rhythm.

They explore how beginning each day side by side, in motion and in nature, has subtly rewired how they do life and business: less performance, more presence.

Cliff names the shift from chasing “the rhythm of a goal” to living “the rhythm of the soul,” and Stephanie beautifully grounds the truth that this isn’t new for her. It’s the frequency she’s always lived in.

Together, they explore intimacy, day-to-day awareness, deep dreams, and the metaphysical clarity that comes when they walk with life, not against it.

This is not just a format change. It is a frequency shift.