Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
4:24 Part 1: Elijah Joins Bethel
15:13 Part 2: The False Prophecy
23:57 Part 3: The Physics of Heaven
1:05:57 Part 4: Bethel Betrays Elijah
1:38:55 Part 5: Set Up to Fail
1:49:59 Part 6: Elijah Finds Out
1:54:42 Part 7: Taking Accountability
2:06:55 Part 8: Elijah's Message to Bill Johnson
2:21:07 THIRTY DAY DEADLINE for Bethel
2:30:09 Part 9: Elijah's Message to Kris Vallotton
3:00:40 Part 10: Exposing Sexual Predators and Frauds in the Renewal Movement
3:09:27 Elijah's Final Appeal
3:17:08 Important Disclaimers

Shawn Bolz is the false prophet. Elijah Stephens is the Christian who was misled and greatly harmed. Bethel is the church that I believe could have stopped it, and chose not to, endorsing the fake prophet and failing to deal properly with him and warn their people when evidence came out that he was lying in God's name. This video is made to help stir up positive change in the movement.

Links:
1. Elijah's Notes on The Physics of Heaven (19 pages): Click Here

2. Elijah's Notes on How Bethel Should Confront the New Age (15 pages): Click Here

3. Though it has been taken down from normal, wide publication, you can view Elijah's original documentary, "Send Proof," right HERE. This is the documentary Shawn Bolz prophesied about. Elijah asked me to share this with you for the sake of integrity, transparency, and accountability, but he doesn't want it viewed outside the context of this interview.

My website: https://BibleThinker.org

Thank you to Teasi Cannon for being willing to come, at my invitation, and tell her story. We don't share this as a piece of entertainment but a way of calling Christians to something higher and bringing support to victims and accountability to leaders who abuse their authority.

• This is the bully sermon (unless they delete it): Click Here
• This is Teasi’s initial response to his threats and bullying from the pulpit. You can hear her heart of care: Click Here
• Here's Teasi Cannon's website, with lots of resources for those who have been through similar situations, as well as a lot of other helpful stuff she has written on other topics: Click Here
• This is the Christian help for those who have been through spiritual abuse. I personally recommend them, and I rarely say that: Click Here

My website: https://BibleThinker.org

Today's Time Stamps:

1. 0:02 {Temptation Increasing vs. Satan Fleeing?} The Bible says when we resist the devil, he will flee (James 4:7). So why does it often feel like spiritual warfare INCREASES when we try to buckle down and resist sins of the flesh, addictions, etc.? When I resist, it doesn't feel like the devil flees - it feels like he tries even harder to get me to fall. Why is this?
2. 12:17 {What is Blasphemy?} What is the biblical understanding of blasphemy? A Catholic online was complaining about how Protestants blaspheme Mary. How do we biblically define blasphemy, and what verses support this?
3. 20:16 {Paul vs. Barnabas} What are your thoughts on the dispute between Paul and Barnabas over Mark in Acts 15:37-40? Were either of them at fault? What can we take from it?
4. 30:41 {Seeing God in Creation} Despite Romans 1:20, I do not inherently see God in His creation. I choose to believe in God, but I feel like an ant lacking the capacity to contemplate my surroundings, let alone a creator.
5. 42:26 {How to Share Concerns w/Leadership} Can you share some advice on how to approach church leadership with concerns regarding what appears to be false theology creeping into my church? Specifically: a lot of Hillsong/Elevation songs, TPT references, etc.
6. 49:43 {When AI Grows Too Much} If AI (Artificial Intelligence} keeps developing to where society at large starts to call it sentient, would we as Christians have to stand in opposition to that?
7. 52:20 {Resolving 2 Challenging Passages} 1 Chronicles 20:5 and 2 Samuel 21:19 seem to disagree with each other. How should we think biblically about these two passages?
8. 57:50 {Protection from Legalism} How do you keep yourself from legalism? I’m breaking an addiction right now, and it feels like I’m doing it to be saved instead of because I am saved. It’s also been hard to rely on God lately.
9. 1:03:45 {Is MMA OK for Christians?} Is participating in MMA wrong? I'm a new Christian and I'm conflicted and want to do right. I've just signed with a big promotion but now I don't know what would please God. Please Help!
10. 1:10:25 {The Role of Physical Attraction} What role should perceived physical attractiveness play in choosing a partner?

Bonus Q! 1:15:27 How many funny shirts does Mike Winger own?

Here's an article on the question about who killed Goliath: Click Here

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Today's Time Stamps:

1. 0:10 {2 Thess. 2 = Sola Scriptura?} Does 2 Thessalonians 2 teach Sola Scriptura?
2. 10:51 {Jesus’ Deity: Why isn’t the NT Clearer?} In Titus 2:13, Is Paul explicitly saying Jesus is God and Savior? Why do New Testament authors often not address Jesus as God and appear to place Jesus outside of the Godhead (e.g. 2 John 1:3)?
3. 20:04 {Biblical Recipe for Anointing Oil?} The book of James tells us that if any are sick they should call for the elders and get anointed. Shouldn’t we be using the anointing oil recipe in Exodus 30:23-25 instead of just olive oil like most people use?
4. 27:03 {Personalities in Heaven} I believe that we will still have our personality in Heaven, but what about unborn babies? Will they walk around in Heaven like non-player characters since they haven't formed their own personality yet?
5. 32:22 {“Buried with Him in Baptism”} Can you help me understand Colossians 2:12? Is this water baptism? Which baptism is it?
6. 38:13 {Where Was God Before Genesis?} Where was God before Genesis 1? If space, matter, and time was created, what was before it? Heaven and the angels already existed, so where was the “nothing” where God created everything in Genesis 1?
7. 45:01 {About Jesus’ Omnipresence} I have a question about God’s nature. Since the Godhead hold all of their being in one indivisible present, in theory, could Jesus have been on Earth and in Heaven concurrently?
8. 53:12 {The Atonement: The Importance of Jesus’ Deity} Why did Jesus have to be God to be the acceptable sacrifice? If it was Jesus’ humanity that died on the cross and not His divine nature, why did Jesus have to be fully God?
9. 59:34 {Can Christians Benefit from Secular Therapy?} What are your thoughts on secular therapy for a Christian? Self-help and self-idealization seem antithetical to the Bible. Why isn't the counsel of Scripture and other believers enough?
10. 1:06:54 {Must Jesus be Lord of Our Lives?} Does receiving Christ begin with you trusting in His death and resurrection, or is there more to do, such as submitting to His lordship and then we are saved?

1:12:15 Bonus Q! What are your 3 favorite books of the Bible, and why? No cop-outs! Thanks so much for your ministry, Mike, it's such a blessing.

I'm taking questions from the live chat... here are the rules:

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RESOURCES I MENTIONED:

A longer video explaining and defending Sola Scriptura is HERE.

My playlist of videos on the South Korean "Mother God" cult (WMSCOG) is

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Today I mentioned https://utlm.org which is Sandra Tanner’s website that I think has a lot of helpful resources on Mormonism.

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Micah Turnbo, as of 5/3/2025 is a pastor/seer/prophet at Vineyard Northwest in Ohio. He teaches many people through online ministry and has more visions and supernatural experiences than anyone in the Bible, it seems. I'll share evidence that he is a false prophet, deceiver, and shares obviously false experiences and even teaches some things that contradict the Bible.

Why do this? Because we are commanded to test all things. When someone has millions of eyes and ears on their prophecies and visions it's important that they be subjected to public testing.

My website: https://BibleThinker.org

Question Time Stamps for Quick Reference:

1. 1:48 {Do All Christians Have the Gift of Tongues?} Do Christians all have access to a “private prayer language” (speaking in tongues) according to Scripture?
2. 11:31 {A Judgment for Widows?} What is the judgment put on widows in 1 Timothy 5:12, and how do we know we can change course without judgment? Does it apply to keeping an unchanging devotion time with God? My goals can get legalistic.
3. 22:05 {Slaves or Brothers?} Why in Scripture are we told we are the slaves of Christ, as well as the brothers of Christ?
4. 24:57 {Shame and Pride Related?} Is the feeling of shame the byproduct of pride?
5. 28:07 {Permissible Doubts vs. Double-mindedness} Can you explain the difference between the man in Mark 9:24 and the double-minded man talked about in James 1:5-8? I find myself relating to the former a lot, but I also fear being double-minded.
6. 37:36 {Choosing a Denomination: Important?} Do you think it's important to choose a denomination? I have people pressuring me to choose one, but I don't feel ready to do that (I'm new) and I’m wondering if it's important at all.
7. 42:52 {Is Progressive Sanctification Biblical?} While I know sanctification is real and biblical, if we are dead to sin after salvation as mentioned in Romans 7, why do we need progressive sanctification?
8. 55:34 {Witnessing to an LGBTQ+ Family Member} My aunt is gay but claims to be a Christian. I have never talked with her about this, but I feel I am doing her a disservice by not lovingly sharing the truth with her. How can I go about this?
9. 1:00:37 {Tourism or Idolatry?} I’m planning a trip to Japan and would like to visit some of the shrines for the tourism aspect, but I don’t want to sin against God or put my family at risk of demonic exposure. Is this acceptable?
10. 1:07:01 {Believing & Receiving Biblically} How do I pray for something and believe I’ve received it (Mark 11:24) such as healing or peace, if I don't know how God is using the illness or anxiety in my life or someone else's life?

A serious study of the best name-it-and-claim-it verse: Click Here

I have the following study for the passage in Romans 7 that was asked about today: Click Here

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Naomi was raised in a pseudo-Christian cult. She was subjected to all manner of spiritual abuse and manipulation, from leaders who used Scripture out of context to control, shame, and terrify her. After doing the unspeakably difficult work of overcoming this abuse, escaping the cult, and learning that the Bible never truly supported such things, she now helps others to disentangle Christianity and Scripture from the spiritual abusers who have misused them.

• beEmboldened.com - I have been sending people to Naomi for help to recover from spiritual abuse. The reports I've so far received back have been extremely positive. People are getting the help they need. Click here for their website.
• Click Here for the beEmboldened YouTube channel with many other resources and testimonies.
• Why naming it and claiming it isn't biblical: Click here
• My overly long and far too detailed video on head coverings and 1 Cor 6: Click here
• My video on the topic of tithing: Click here

I'm Mike Winger and my ministry is to help people learn to think biblically about everything, including taking Scripture back from spiritual abusers.
My website: https://BibleThinker.org