• When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

  • By: Jessie Sage
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When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

By: Jessie Sage
  • Summary

  • When We’re Not Hustling is a twice monthly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.
    2024
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Episodes
  • S3 E5: The Most Taboo Subject in the World Isn't Sex, It's Perimenopause
    Feb 3 2025

    In S3 E5 of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with Jet Setting Jasmine, an award-winning adult film director, psychotherapist, and master fetish trainer, to discuss perimenopause, evolving identities, and the challenges of navigating life, family, and sex work with autonomy and care. They explore the impact of bodily changes, the importance of boundary-setting, and Jasmine’s unique approach to parenting and education through travel. This episode offers a candid look at embracing new phases of life with confidence, community, and self-acceptance.

    In this Episode:

    00:02:51 Introduction of guest Jet Setting Jasmine
    00:03:47 Discussion on perimenopause and its impact on daily life.
    00:06:33 Conversation about the symptoms and lack of awareness regarding perimenopause.
    00:10:28 Exploration of mood changes and personality shifts during perimenopause.
    00:14:37 Concerns about sex drive changes due to perimenopause and how it affects sex work.
    00:19:23 Discussion on adaptability in sex work as one ages and changes.
    00:26:51 The impact of perimenopause on relationships and personal life.
    00:41:51 Changes in family dynamics and embracing new roles as children grow.
    00:54:49 Traveling with children and accommodating their needs in new environments.
    01:01:32 Closing thoughts on perimenopause, its broader impacts, and the importance of sharing experiences with others going through similar life stages.

    Guest:

    Jet Setting Jasmine is an award-winning adult film director, entertainer, and master fetish trainer. She is also a licensed psychotherapist and educator who uses her expertise in mental health to advocate for a more inclusive and ethically-sound adult entertainment industry. Challenging Conventional Approaches to Sex, Jasmine is the co-owner, along with partner King Noire, of Royal Fetish Films, a multi-channel adult-entertainment business that resists the discriminatory tropes common in the art of entertainment and the mainstream adult industry. The filmmakers at Royal Fetish Films combine love for artistic and sensual film, with the need for authentic sexual representation. The result is blazing-hot content that stimulates the audience to explore their sexual boundaries in an area free from stigma. Her work on the decolonization of sex and pornography, as well as her advocacy for sex-positive parenting, recently landed her on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show. She has also appeared in major publications such as Vice, Playboy, Forbes, Cosmopolitan, NPR, Essence, BBC, and Psychology Today.

    Instagram:

    X: @JetSetJasmine

    Bluesky: @JetSettingJasmine.bsky.social

    XXX Content: RoyalFetishXXX.com

    Website: jetsettingjasmine.com

    The Rest:

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • S3 E4: I'm No Longer the Object of Men's Desires—I'm the Subject of My Own Story with Suzannah Weiss
    Jan 27 2025
    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Suzanna Weiss, a sexologist and author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject. Weiss shares her journey toward sexual empowerment, beginning with overcoming an eating disorder tied to societal objectification and evolving through experiences like sex parties and sex writing. Her book challenges traditional narratives around women’s sexuality, urging women to reclaim agency and become active participants in their own desires, rather than passive objects of male fantasy. This episode offers a nuanced discussion on the complexities of sexual subjectivity and self-expression, encouraging listeners to embrace their desires and assert their individuality. In this Episode: 00:02:40 Introduction of guest Suzannah Weiss and her new book 00:04:32 Discussion on Suzannah's background and work 00:07:21 Suzannah's personal journey with sexuality and empowerment 00:09:50 Exploration of consent and desire 00:15:10 Discussion on societal views about sex and gender roles 00:25:25 Examination of men's experiences with desire 00:32:28 Suzannah's book tour experience and public readings 00:38:19 Insights on beauty, femininity, and empowerment 00:43:56 Tuning into personal boundaries and consent in sex work 00:53:55 Final thoughts on Suzannah's book and its impact 00:54:24 Closing segment with Suzannah's current reads and excitements Guest: Suzannah Weiss is a writer and sexologist based in Los Angeles. She is the author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject, which describes her search for sexual empowerment and her vision for a world where women are subjects, not just objects, of desire. She has written over 8800 articles, which have appeared in publications such as The New York Times and The Washington Post. As a sex educator certified by the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists, Suzannah has taught courses and given talks on topics including consent, orgasms, childbirth, non-monogamy, and neurodiversity. She is regularly quoted as an expert in publications like Cosmopolitan and Men's Health and also works as a sex/love coach, birth doula, and sexual assault counselor. She holds a Master of Professional Studies in Sexual Health from the University of Minnesota, a Bachelor of Science in Cognitive Neuroscience from Brown University, and a Bachelor of Arts in Gender & Sexuality Studies and Modern Culture & Media from Brown University. She likes to play with words in silly ways that tap into big truths. Instagram: @weisssuzannah X: @suzannahweiss Website: www.suzannahweiss.com Recommendation: Audiobooks: Man's Seach for Meaning, by Victor E. Frankl In an Unspoken Voice, by Peter Levine Sensual Faith: The Art of Coming Home to Your Body, by Lyvonne Briggs Music: Oh No, by OK Go (Album) Best Coast (Band) The Rest: Host: Jessie Sage Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Assembly Four Powered by Black Venom Digital When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund. You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.
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    58 mins
  • S3 E3: Urban Warriors Sometimes Carry Seeds and Scythes with Xanthe Rhea
    Jan 20 2025

    In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with long-time friend Xanthe Rhea to discuss her journey from stripping to full-service sex work. Xanthe shares insights into the financial pressures dancers face, including the challenges of "pay-to-work" club systems, and how these experiences shaped her transition within the industry. Beyond sex work, the conversation explores Xanthe's passion for urban farming, her background in herbalism, and her commitment to holistic health practices. They discuss the philosophical differences between herbalism and Western medicine, as well as the social and environmental benefits of local, organic farming. The episode delves into the challenges of urban gardening, including community resistance and regulatory hurdles, and reflects on the intersection of climate change, empowerment, and personal growth. Xanthe concludes by sharing her vision for balancing her farming aspirations with her work in the sex industry.

    In this Episode:

    00:00:06 Introduction to When We're Not Hustling
    00:02:49 Guest introduction: Xanthe Rhea
    00:05:00 Experiences in dancing and stripping
    00:09:52 Labor issues and female labor struggles
    00:14:10 Urban gardening and farming experiences
    00:16:11 Herb school and herbalism
    00:21:39 Code switching between herbalism and Western medicine
    00:30:19 Midwives and naturalistic approaches
    00:37:02 Health tips and firewater benefits
    00:42:33 Importance of organic, local produce
    00:51:48 Interpersonal skills learned from sex work
    00:57:57 Vision for future farming and community living
    01:01:20 Plans for 2025 and touring goals
    01:05:02 Where to find Xanthe Rhea online

    Guest:

    I'm a traveling stripper from Pittsburgh who is transitioning to in-person sex work. Right now, I'm also working on aerial skills to become a traveling feature performer. I have a formal education in nursing. Once I finished my nursing program and obtained my license I ran screaming into herbalism education and started getting serious/obsessive about travel dancing. I also trained with a trail-building non-profit when I was a teenager. This experience stays with me in the form of desire to find sweet hiking spots or natural swim spots wherever I travel. I'm looking forward to continue to build community resilience within the SWer community and the femme community at large that's built on radical honesty, pleasure and connectedness. P.S. In my future there will be chickens.

    Website: xantherhea.com

    Bluesky: x-rhea.bsky.social

    Recommendation:

    Books:

    Saturn Return Survival Guide by Lisa Stardust

    Dreaming the Soul Back Home by Robert Moss

    The Rest:

    Host: Jessie Sage

    Producer: Emily Foster

    Music: Benjamin J Benamati

    Sponsor: Assembly Four

    Powered by Black Venom Digital

    When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the Social Good Fund.

    You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation HERE.

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    1 hr and 6 mins

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