In this episode, Joe talks with New York Times best selling author Jemar Tisby. Jemar is also a theologian, speaker, teacher and leader.

Joe and Jemar talk about his newest book "The Spirit of Justice" and how the stories can provide a blueprint for our current season of resistance. They talk about the state of the church in the United States and how it has added and abetted white Christian nationalism.

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