2024 saw Spotify make a big push for video on their platform, while it also seemed anywhere you turned online was someone telling podcasters they need to do video to stay relevant.

So, is 2025 the year we all need to get on board with video podcasting, or does audio-first podcasting still have merits? Join your regular hosts Mark Asquith and Danny Brown, as well as guest co-host John McDermott, as they look to answer the question on everyone's lips: what does the push for video mean for podcasting and podcasters?

Our guest co-host this week: John McDermott

Co-Founder of Caloroga Shark Media, a podcast company focused on short-form pods. Previously EVP programming for Cadence 13. Before that 10 years at SiriusXM (VP Comedy & Entertainment). Before THAT a decade at WOR New York doing talk radio I am the host of the podcasts 5 Good News Stories and Daily Comedy News. Substack where I pontificate is John McDermott's Media Thoughts (mcdpod.substack.com) and people are encouraged to be my LinkedIn friend.

John's Website

@mcdradio on X

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Dave & Dave Unchained Van Halen podcast Podcast – Apple Podcasts
• Podcast Predictions, Trends & Tips for 2025
• Will Video Kill the Audio Star in 2025?
• Podcasting's unique selling proposition is not video | James Cridland - radio futurologist

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Join Mark and Danny in this bonus episode, as they reflect on the past year of In & Around Podcasting, share some important advice about frequency of publishing, and what's coming up in 2025.

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Links to interesting things from this episode

• Pod Chat, with Danny Brown
• The Podcast Accelerator by Mark Asquith
• Taking a break for a month? : r/podcasting
• Podcast Discovery Stats: How Folks Find Pods, & Why They Listen

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast brought to you by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know via Twitter and we'll get you booked!

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

There are many valuations of the podcast industry, depending on what report you read.

• Polaris valued the global worth at $13.7B in 2021, expected to grow an average of 31.5% CAGR (compound annual growth rate) through to 2030 (seems supremely high)
• Fortune Business Insights show is as $2.2B in 2022, projected to grow to $17.59B in 2030, a CAGR of 29.8%

Meanwhile, the IAB shares US ad revenue as $1.8B in 2022, rising to $1.9 in 2023 (which seems closer to Fortune Business Insights and their global ranking). So you can see why there's confusion.

Join Mark and Danny, and this week's guest co-host Rob Greenlee, as they break this all down in the usual In & Around Podcasting way.

Our guest co-host this week: Rob Greenlee

Rob Greenlee, a 2017 Podcast Hall of Fame inductee and podcasting pioneer, has spent over 24 years shaping the online media industry. As founder of Spoken Life Media - Adore Podcast Network and Creator Community, and Multi-Camera Video Production. He is also host of Podcast Tips with Rob Greenlee and Trust Factor Shows, he empowers creators with practical insights and innovative strategies. Rob’s background includes leadership roles at Microsoft, PodcastOne, Spreaker, and Libsyn, where he drove content development, distribution, and partnerships. He also co-hosts the 12-year running New Media Show with Todd Cochrane, providing weekly industry updates. As Chairperson of the Podcast Hall of Fame, Rob continues to champion the podcasting community worldwide through speaking and mentorship.

Rob's Website

Rob on YouTube

Rob's Facebook page

@robwgreenlee on Instagram

@robgreenlee on X

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Arielle Nissenblatt
• Podcast Hall of Fame
• PODFEST EXPO | Where Your Voice Matters
• Podcast Industry Statistics 2024 – Global Market Size and Growth | Comprehensive podcast industry statistics for 2024. Collaborative wiki covers global market size, growth trends, platform market share, and advertising revenue estimates.
• Podcasting Market Size, Share, Revenue | Fortune Business Insights
• Polaris Podcasting Market Size Global Report, 2022 - 2030
• IAB US Podcast Advertising Revenue Study FY2023 May 2024.pdf
• Justin Jackson on X: "I keep seeing two numbers for the podcast industry: "Podcasting is a $2 billion a year industry." "The podcast industry is worth $20 billion." Can anyone tell me where these numbers come from and how they're calculated? (They're often quoted but never cited)" / X

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast brought to you by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

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