Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence and he shares here what he recognized the very day the footage came down– while the world still hoped to bring Gabby home.

If Gabby Petito taught us anything, it is that signs of domestic violence and abusive relationships are often hidden in plain sight.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

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https://youtu.be/mawmDCW8ifM?si=UYeS5cFRFiRz3szw

https://youtu.be/slYw6iJyefk?si=FEFuDS5iUzMy7sX0

https://youtu.be/mawmDCW8ifM?si=aqAQdVoJP2b5fa1d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0mCku86Gs&t=11s

This episode was recorded on September 22, 2021, but we never shared it until now.

Gabby Petito's body was found three days before recording this episode. She had been strangled to death, just as Dr John had explained was a concern, after seeing Gabby demonstrate to Moab Police how Brian held her jaw during their argument that day.

We continue to assess what we saw in the body cam footage, and we dedicate this episode to all victims of domestic violence.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

This full analysis of the Moab Utah Police body Cam footage was recorded on September 16th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing. It has never been published on this podcast, until now.

Host, Criminal psychologist Dr John Matthias, has worked for years with victims of domestic violence and he shares here what he recognized the very day the footage came down– while the world still hoped to bring Gabby home.

If Gabby Petito taught us anything, it is that signs of domestic violence and abusive relationships are often hidden in plain sight.

Domestic Abuse Hotline: 1-800-799-7233

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

This interview took place on September 17th, 2021, while Gabby Petito was still missing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

New revelations in the Shanna Gardner case have come out. Join Lauren as she recaps the updates, followed by Dr. John giving his thoughts on what Shanna's behavior may be showing.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Previos Shanna Episodes:

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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/jared-bridegan-murder-shanna-gardner-jail-violations-drugs-theft/77-d839ed7b-5576-42cb-a937-5ad0cfcc96e3

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2025/02/13/shanna-gardner-accused-in-murder-for-hire-case-stole-from-inmate-had-makeshift-tattoo-device-in-jail-report-says/

https://www.jacksonville.com/picture-gallery/news/crime/2024/02/16/shanna-gardner-and-mario-fernandez-saldana-back-in-court-jared-bridegan-murder/72629660007/

https://sjcitizen.com/woman-charged-killing-st-johns-county-ex-husband-finds-new-lover-cited-theft-prison/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbcsb0w4rQc&t=1s

The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is just wrapping. Join Dr. John and Lauren as they discuss the psychology of Megan's crimes.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Sources:

WJHL News

The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is just wrapping. Join Lauren as she recaps day 7, and the closing arguments of the trial. Stay tuned for more as verdict watch has now begun

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

Sources:

WJHL News

The trial of Megan Boswell for the murder of her daughter, Evelyn Boswell is underway. Join Lauren as she recaps day 6 of the trial. Stay tuned for more recaps as the trial continues.

About Hidden True Crime:

Lauren Matthias, a former television reporter, and her husband Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.

What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling.

Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime

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