FRIED. The Burnout Podcast

By: Cait Donovan
  • Summary

  • Real. Raw. No Holding Back. Stories from people like you who've burnt out and come back to tell the tale. From thought leaders to your friend down the street, there's a story in FRIED that you will relate to, guaranteed.

    You are not alone. You might be fried crispy at this point, but I promise you there is a way through. Each week, there is a story of breakdown and build back up and we don't skip over the nasty bits. The journey through burnout is rarely a beautiful one, but it creates some pretty amazing careers and lives. The point of this space is to assure you that you aren't alone and that there is a way through. If one week doesn't resonate, be sure that another week will. There's a solution for every story and we will cover them all. I promise.

    And - the help doesn't stop there. UNFRIED is a small group coaching program (under 10 people per cohort) that is available for you. Find the info here. (bit.ly/UNFRIED)

    All works owned and produced by Cait Donovan LLC, 2022
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Episodes
  • #sarahshares: How Perspective Helps You Understand Why You Are Fried
    Feb 23 2025

    Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]


    Burnout recovery doesn’t happen all at once. Small steps add up, even when progress feels impossible.


    Hey Fried fam! Ever looked back at an old journal entry or email and realized you were clearer on what you needed than you thought? In this episode, Sarah Vosen walks through a listener’s raw, unfiltered reflection from a time when burnout had them feeling stuck, exhausted, and unsure how to move forward.


    What can you do when you know what you want but can’t see a way to get there? Sarah explores how small shifts, support, and patience can turn overwhelm into real progress. She shares insights from her own recovery and the power of recognizing the wins, even the tiny ones.


    Burnout can make change feel impossible, but what if you’re already on your way? Tune in for an episode that will help you see the progress you’ve made and remind you that healing is within reach!


    Episode Breakdown:

    00:00 Introduction

    05:04 Reflecting on Burnout and Desires

    08:28 Initial Steps in Burnout Recovery

    09:45 Fajardo Method and Nervous System Healing

    10:51 Working While Recovering

    12:05 Moving and Major Life Changes

    13:00 Current Work and Practice

    14:09 Achievements and Progress

    15:02 Enjoying Nature and Retreats

    15:56 Family and Boundaries

    17:01 Letting Go of Control

    18:07 Physical Health Improvements

    18:59 Reflecting on Progress

    20:04 Writing Your Burnout Story

    21:08 Self-Compassion and Validation

    22:22 Burnout Web of Causation Guide

    25:03 Encouragement and Support Options


    Links

    Join us on February 26 for "Understanding Where Your Burnout Came From," [https://bit.ly/burnoutweb25] a live, interactive workshop where we can take the first step to untangle your burnout knot—together.


    We’ll be working through The Burnout Web of Causation, a tool designed to help you:

    - See the bigger picture of what’s contributing to your burnout.

    - Identify the stressors you can control—and the ones you can’t.

    - Take practical steps to start cutting the threads of burnout, one by one.


    REMEMBER: Burnout Recovery works better with support.


    Connect with Cait:

    Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcait

    Initial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahv


    Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]



    Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm


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    26 mins
  • Nahal Yousefian: Former Head of HR for Netflix Shares How We Should Shape the Future of Work
    Feb 16 2025

    Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]


    Burnout thrives in the spaces where people aren’t saying what they really mean.


    In this episode, Cait Donovan is joined by Nahal Yousefian, a former head of HR at Netflix, to talk about why work culture fuels burnout and what needs to change. Nahal shares how burnout hit her hard—so hard she physically couldn’t move—and why that moment forced her to rethink everything.


    Nahal pulls back the curtain on corporate dysfunction, from empty jargon to leadership that talks in circles. Why are companies obsessed with being “strategic” while refusing to make clear decisions? Why does psychological safety feel like a buzzword instead of a real priority? And what happens when employees finally get tired of playing along?


    This episode cuts through the noise and makes the case for honest conversations, smarter work structures, and a workplace where well-being isn’t treated like an afterthought.


    Quotes

    • “The leader was talking about apples, the employees talking about oranges, and HR is in the middle trying to get them to see that they’re talking about two different things.” (16:16 | Nahal Yousefian)
    • “I think after 20 years in the business, which was last summer, I started to realize that with the coming up of AI and the sort of technology and the social media platforms and avenues, I think that I would be able to exact change faster coming out than being inside a corporation.” (10:11 | Nahal Yousefian)
    • “In a day and age where generations coming into the workplace are demanding authenticity, corporate jargon has gone even more on steroids than ever before.” (22:33| Nahal Yousefian)
    • “If you look at the numbers, it’s a mathematical game where the number of managers who will judge you for asking questions versus the ones that won’t. We tend to go with the 80-20 rule. We know 20% of the managers are going to create a fair environment and I’m scared to ask questions, but 80% are okay. But because of that 20%, the employees reporting to the other 80% don’t do it either. So I think that’s the dynamic that we need to shift.” (28:44 | Nahal Yousefian)
    • “Following your heart is burnout prevention and burnout recovery. It’s one of the rare things that fits in both categories.” (58:32 | Cait Donovan)


    Links

    Connect with Nahal Yousefian:

    www.thebarraisers.com

    https://www.instagram.com/thebarraisers?igsh=Y3BhZTh4cTd4NW1k&utm_source=qr

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/nahalyousefian/


    Connect with Cait:

    Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcait

    Initial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahv


    Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]


    Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm


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    59 mins
  • Chronic Stress: Connecting the Dots between Layoffs and Burnout with Cait Donovan (Originally Posted on Nerd Journey 10/29/24)
    Feb 9 2025
    Burnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Burnout sneaks up slowly, leaving you drained and wondering what went wrong. Cait Donovan joins Nick Korte on Nerd Journey to talk about how chronic stress builds over time, why layoffs can be a breaking point or a relief, and what it really takes to recover. She breaks down burnout risk factors, the role of personal history and workplace culture, and why some people hit a wall while others find a way forward. How do you know when it’s time to make a change? What steps can you take to regain control? Cait shares strategies for protecting yourself, setting boundaries, and rethinking resilience in a way that actually works.Quotes“Burnout has to be the end result of a long period of chronic stress. It’s like chronic, chronic stress.” (06:03 | Cait Donovan)“Sometimes we have to start with the really practical stuff and allow that to shift our emotional state rather than sitting and working through an emotion while the stressor is still alive for you. We have to shift the stressor so that you can work through the emotion and not the other way around.” (17:15 | Cait Donovan)“If you are in a situation that for some reason is toxic or sort of impossible to ignore, you can’t meditate your way out of it.” (26:51 | Cait Donovan)“I think that it’s wise to remember how much power and autonomy you do have in your life. When you are under chronic stress, we tend to end up under this illusion that we don’t have any control and that we don’t have enough autonomy. And if you’re feeling that way right now, I would challenge you to challenge that.” (50:28 | Cait Donovan)LinksThis episode was also published on Nick's show Nerd Journey - https://nerd-journey.com/chronic-stress-connecting-the-dots-between-layoffs-and-burnout-with-cait-donovan/Nick's Layoff Resources Page (the most impactful conversations and advice from his show on burnout, including the one with Cait) - https://nerd-journey.com/layoffresources/Nick's blog post that speaks to his love for podcasting and how the layoff resources page came to be https://blog.thenetworknerd.com/2025/01/25/a-healthy-obsession-lessons-learned-from-300-episodes-of-the-nerd-journey-podcast/.Previous episodes featuring Cait in which she shared her story of burning out and the transition into coaching and speakinghttps://nerd-journey.com/across-the-patterns-of-burnout-with-cait-donovan-1-2/https://nerd-journey.com/the-beautiful-right-turns-with-cait-donovan-2-2/Some of the most impactful episodes featuring technologists sharing their stories of burnout:https://nerd-journey.com/riding-the-burnout-wave-with-jonathan-f-2-2/https://nerd-journey.com/countdown-to-burnout-with-tom-hollingsworth-3-3/https://nerd-journey.com/management-and-the-hypergrowth-startup-with-andrew-miller-2-3/https://nerd-journey.com/pause-and-step-outside-with-andrew-miller-3-3/https://nerd-journey.com/burnout-and-recovery-with-josh-fidel/Connect with Cait:Initial Call with Cait: bit.ly/callcaitInitial Call with Sarah: bit.ly/callsarahvBurnout Recovery works better with support. UNFRIED is our small group (5 people max!) coaching program to help guide you through your recovery. Apply now! [http://bit.ly/unfried]Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm
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    51 mins

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