Different
Gender and Our Primate Heritage
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Jonathan Davis
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Frans de Waal
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In Different, world-renowned primatologist Frans de Waal draws on decades of observation and studies of both human and animal behavior to argue that despite the linkage between gender and biological sex, biology does not automatically support the traditional gender roles in human societies. While humans and other primates do share some behavioral differences, biology offers no justification for existing gender inequalities.
Using chimpanzees and bonobos to illustrate this point—two ape relatives that are genetically equally close to humans—de Waal challenges widely held beliefs about masculinity and femininity, and common assumptions about authority, leadership, cooperation, competition, filial bonds, and sexual behavior. Chimpanzees are male-dominated and violent, while bonobos are female-dominated and peaceful. In both species, political power needs to be distinguished from physical dominance. Power is not limited to the males, and both sexes show true leadership capacities.
Different is a fresh and thought-provoking approach to the long-running debate about the balance between nature and nurture, and where sex and gender roles fit in. De Waal peppers his discussion with details from his own life—a Dutch childhood in a family of six boys, his marriage to a French woman with a different orientation toward gender, and decades of academic turf wars over outdated scientific theories that have proven hard to dislodge from public discourse. He discusses sexual orientation, gender identity, and the limitations of the gender binary, exceptions to which are also found in other primates.
With humor, clarity, and compassion, Different seeks to broaden the conversation about human gender dynamics by promoting an inclusive model that embraces differences, rather than negating them.
Cover painting © 2022 Succession H. Matisse / Artists Rights Society (ARS), New York
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Our species, it appears, is hardwired to get things wrong in myriad different ways. Why did recipients of a loan offer accept a higher rate of interest when a pretty woman's face was printed on the flyer? Why did one poll on immigration find the most despised aliens were ones from a group that did not exist? What made four of the Air Force's best pilots fly their planes, in formation, straight into the ground?
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From birth, when babies' fingers instinctively cling to those of adults, their bodies and brains seek an intimate connection - a bond made possible by empathy, the remarkable ability to love and to share the feelings of others. In this unforgettable book, award-winning science journalist Maia Szalavitz and renowned child psychiatrist Bruce D. Perry explain how empathy develops, why it is essential both to human happiness and for a functional society, and how it is threatened in a modern world.
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Born for Love is a Rallying Call for Caring and Cry for Help
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The Self Illusion provides a fascinating examination of how the latest science shows that our individual concept of a self is in fact an illusion. Most of us believe that we possess a self - an internal individual who resides inside our bodies, making decisions, authoring actions and possessing free will. The feeling that a single, unified, enduring self inhabits the body is compelling and inescapable. But that sovereignty of the self is increasingly under threat from science as our understanding of the brain advances.
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Disappointing
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In The Blank Slate, Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind, explores the idea of human nature and its moral, emotional, and political colorings. With characteristic wit, lucidity, and insight, Pinker argues that the dogma that the mind has no innate traits, denies our common humanity and our individual preferences, replaces objective analyses of social problems with feel-good slogans, and distorts our understanding of politics, violence, parenting, and the arts.
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Don't bother. Outdated science & poor logic...
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Evolutionary Psychology is a uniquely accessible yet comprehensive guide to the study of the effects of evolutionary theory on human behaviour. Written specifically for the general listener and for entry-level students, it covers all the most important elements of this interdisciplinary subject, from the role of evolution in our selection of partner, to the influence of genetics on parenting. This audiobook draws widely on examples, case studies and background facts to convey a substantial amount of information.
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Some people insist that culture is strictly a human feat. What are they afraid of? This book looks into three cultures of other-than-human beings in some of Earth's remaining wild places. It shows how if you're a sperm whale, a scarlet macaw, or a chimpanzee, you too experience your life with the understanding that you are an individual in a particular community. You too are who you are not by genes alone; your culture is a second form of inheritance. And your culture, too, changes and evolves.
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It all sinks in over the story—highly recommend
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Imagine raising an orphaned bear cub, carefully reintroducing her to the wild, then being welcomed back, almost daily, to observe her wild world for more than 17 years. Imagine visiting her in her feeding spots, watching her with her mates and her young, peering into her den, and, over time, observing the lives of all the other wild bears in her territory and surrounding ones. That is what happened to Ben Kilham.
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Best Bear book I have read!
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Nobody affects us as deeply as our brothers and sisters - not parents, not children, not friends. From the time we - and they - are born, our siblings are our collaborators and co-conspirators, our role models and cautionary tales. They teach us how to resolve conflicts and how not to, how to conduct friendships and when to walk away.
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This is the only book I never finished
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A Heralding Voice...
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- JR
- 06-08-22
Excellent, Fascinating Book
Frans de Waal is so knowledgeable in his field. This book is wonderful and insightful.
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- Slkexperiences
- 10-25-22
Different by Frans de Waal
This was a terrific book that brought me back to my college sociology and anthropology studies and forward to a future of equality for all genders. Read it and learn how similar and how different we are from Chimps and Bonobos.
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- BigWally
- 05-03-22
Another outstanding book from Frans de Waal!
I have read or listened to virtually all of the books Prof. Frans de Waal has written for a popular audience. I never fail to learn an incredible amount from each book. De Waal write beautifully and authoritatively about the primates he has studied over his lengthy career. I highly recommend this book for anyone interested in learning about primates and why we exhibit the traits we Homo sapiens do. Observing our closest primate relatives, the chimpanzees and bonobos, we can learn that we all share many common behaviors and traits, e.g. empathy and compassion.
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- Amanda
- 01-05-23
Full of Insight and Nuance
Gender identity, sexuality, gender roles, nature/nurter, biology/society, gender stereotypes- what do our closest evolutionary ancestors (the chimpanzees and the bonobos) have to teach is about these all-to-often polarizing topics?
Frans de Waal tackles these topics head-on with fascinating stories that add texture and life to the scientific data and research regarding these subjects. I think that almost everyone will have at least a couple of their own personal assumptions challenged after reading this book, as it's conclusions don't land on either end of the ideological spectrum. If not, it will certainly add nuance and life to the conversation.
And, as any honest scientist will admit, there is still more to learn...
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- Anonymous User
- 09-17-22
A perfect surprise.
I had no idea what this book was about when I bought it. I like Dr. DeWaal's work and trusted thatbthis book would be a good read. Excellent and relevant to our times. Check it out, it's almost like being on a mind trip but sober.
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- Colin Briskey
- 12-04-22
Worth the Read
I didn’t agree with everything - but it was a fascinating read that made me think. Definitely worth it !
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- Seth First
- 01-29-23
Fantastic
I loved this book. It was fascinating and I learned a great deal.
I highly recommend it.
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- tetrahymena
- 10-20-24
A primatological recasting of gender roles
Despite expressions such as "comparing apples and oranges," people in competitive societies tend to believe that if two things are different, one must be better than another. We apply this faulty rationale to breeds of dogs and horses, cuts of meat, and, unfortunately, to people.
In his new book, <i>Different</i>, Frans de Waal illustrates the flaws in this logic as he explores gender differences and similarities across species and cultures. The author focuses on humans and our closest relatives, the chimps and bonobos, to explore the biological underpinnings of behavior and the variation in behaviors. Although this may sound like a conservative set-up for defending sexist roles, de Waal challenges culturally instilled beliefs about masculinity and femininity, including the common assumption that males are naturally political leaders by differentiating between power and dominance and the notion that dominance is a monolithic structure.
He likewise challenges those who argue that biology is irrelevant, calling for a reasoned discussion of the data. Having differences does not mean one gender is better than the others or that some biological standard confines one to a socially ascribed gender role. In all three of his focal species, individuals can break one or more of the gender norms, and all three have gender-nonconformists.
De Waal's recognition of overlapping gender differences between males and females creates a gateway for discussing different genders and sexual orientations. Within-gender sexual behavior occurs in all three species. Gender non-conforming individuals, such as Donna, a swaggering female chimp who displayed archetypical male chimpanzee behavior, also is present in all three species. He argues that instead of pushing our children into stereotypes, we should note their preferences and help them become well-adjusted human beings, no matter what mix of traits they may display.
I strongly recommend this book and that it be read in conjunction with Sara Hrdy's new book, <i>Father Time</i>, which also explores gender roles. It also challenges the outdated concept of set gender-specific behavior and invites the reader into the world of nurturing by male primates, including humans. Both books are great, but taken together, the complement is outstanding.
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- yuan zhou
- 05-10-22
Wonderfully insightful view into the primate world
The author speaks from a vast knowledge of primates - especially apes - built up over decades, and the much greater impartiality with which humans are able to observe other species than their own, allows for much more clarity on the actual makeup of primate societies and the roles of gender and sex than is common when talking about humans - given so many inbuilt biases and agendas. It’s much harder to look objectively at ourselves than at others.
There are many great insights in the book that help to ground the gender debate in a more solid foundation on fact, which is always a good starting point! In addition, it reveals an incredible beauty, subtlety, and intelligence in the natural order of ape societies, where gender and sex have their roles without leading to discrimination or counterproductive divisions. There are touching stories about how primates such as chimps and bonobos, show incredible care for one another, forgiveness, responsibility, selflessness, wisdom, and other qualities usually reserved for descriptions of humans. There seems to be almost no discrimination in the primate world based on physical appearance, and in general a much greater acceptance of relative differences - including non-typical gender presentations - than amongst humans. Once again in comparing humans to the rest of nature, one has the sinking feeling of humans coming up woefully short on many counts!
One of the many wonderful bits of information gleaned from the book, is that ape societies have both an alpha male and alpha female, and that neither is narcissistic and self aggrandising the way we usually use the term applies to humans. As in so many other ways, nature shows us that it doesn’t need to be either or, and that positions of power don’t need to be abused. In fact so much of human social organisation is a perversion of what we see in nature.
A few small parts of the book appear to be verging on pandering to the current culture war climate and may not age well, but they are few and far between - and perhaps a necessary pandering to allow safe passage of the rest of the book, which certainly throws up many well founded challenges to much of the current orthodoxy on sex and gender.
All in all an incredibly thoughtful, kind and wise book, with much to learn especially for any non-primatologists. I have a new found respect for the apes and hope one day again to see some of these wonderful animals in the wild.
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- Bob
- 06-03-22
de Waal weighs in on nature & environment inputs
By comparing the lives of primates and various other species with Homo Sapiens, de Waal illustrates the complexity of human nature. Clearly, in comparison, none of the species examined are entirely the product of their genetics. Meanwhile, environmental conditions factor most into the development of Homo Sapiens traits since our species has a more encompassing culture. The many examples provided for other species' traits compared to the most controversial Homo Sapiens traits are comprehensive and lead the reader to a more clear picture that "natural" is an acceptable explanation for nearly all traits.
De Waal's extensive understanding in his primary expertise coupled with his gift for plainly presenting complicated topics provides an entirely accessible text for consideration by open minded readers. The narration adds to the richness of de Waal's words.
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