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A Homosexual History
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Narrated by:
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Ben Allen
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By:
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Huw Lemmey
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Ben Miller
About this listen
We all remember Oscar Wilde, but who speaks for Bosie? What about those 'bad gays' whose un-exemplary lives reveal more than we might expect? Too many popular histories seek to establish heroes, pioneers and martyrs but, as Huw Lemmey and Ben Miller argue, the past is filled with queer people whose sexualities and dastardly deeds have been overlooked.
Based on the hugely popular podcast series, Bad Gays subverts the notion of gay icons and queer heroes and asks what we can learn about LGBTQ+ history, sexuality and identity through its villains and baddies. From the Emperor Hadrian to anthropologist Margaret Mead and notorious gangster Ronnie Kray, the authors excavate the buried history of queer lives. This includes kings, fascist thugs such as Nazi founder Ernst Rohm, artists, and debauched bon viveurs.
Together these amazing life stories expand and challenge the mainstream assumptions of sexual identity. They show that homosexuality itself was an idea that emerged in the nineteenth century and that its interpretation has been central to major historical moments of conflict from the ruptures of Weimar Republic to red-baiting in Cold War America.
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- By Charles Lloyd on 12-25-22
By: Andrew Holleran
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Stonewall
- The Definitive Story of the LGBT Rights Uprising that Changed America
- By: Martin Duberman
- Narrated by: Vikas Adam
- Length: 13 hrs and 11 mins
- Unabridged
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On June 28, 1969, the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar in New York's Greenwich Village, was raided by police. But instead of responding with the typical compliance the NYPD expected, patrons and a growing crowd decided to fight back. The five days of rioting that ensued changed forever the face of gay and lesbian life. In Stonewall, renowned historian and activist Martin Duberman tells the full story of this pivotal moment in history.
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Informative
- By Danica on 12-10-24
By: Martin Duberman
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Gay New York
- Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940
- By: George Chauncey
- Narrated by: Graham Halstead
- Length: 18 hrs and 40 mins
- Unabridged
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Gay New York brilliantly shatters the myth that before the 1960s gay life existed only in the closet, where gay men were isolated, invisible, and self-hating. Drawing on a rich trove of diaries, legal records, and other unpublished documents, George Chauncey constructs a fascinating portrait of a vibrant, cohesive gay world that is not supposed to have existed. Gay New York forever changed how we think about the history of gay life in New York City, and beyond.
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An Eye Opening History!
- By Nelson on 04-26-22
By: George Chauncey
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Fire Island
- A Century in the Life of an American Paradise
- By: Jack Parlett
- Narrated by: Joe Jameson
- Length: 6 hrs and 48 mins
- Unabridged
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Fire Island, a thin strip of beach off the Long Island coast, has long been a vital space in the queer history of America. Both utopian and exclusionary, healing and destructive, the island is a locus of contradictions, all of which coalesce against a stunning ocean backdrop. Now, poet and scholar Jack Parlett tells the story of this iconic destination—its history, its meaning and its cultural significance—told through the lens of the artists and creators who sought refuge on its shores.
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Excellent
- By Jonathan Hurst on 08-16-23
By: Jack Parlett
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The New Life
- A Novel
- By: Tom Crewe
- Narrated by: Freddie Fox
- Length: 13 hrs and 34 mins
- Unabridged
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In the summer of 1894, John Addington and Henry Ellis begin writing a book arguing that homosexuality, which is a crime at the time, is a natural, harmless variation of human sexuality. Though they have never met, John and Henry both live in London with their wives, Catherine and Edith, and in each marriage, there is a third party: John has a lover, a working-class man named Frank, and Edith spends almost as much time with her friend Angelica as she does with Henry.
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Brilliant historical fiction
- By Shrewsie Shrew on 01-15-23
By: Tom Crewe
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Transgender History, Second Edition
- The Roots of Today's Revolution
- By: Susan Stryker
- Narrated by: Emily Cauldwell
- Length: 7 hrs and 49 mins
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Covering American transgender history from the mid-20th century to today, Transgender History takes a chronological approach to the subject of transgender history, with each chapter covering major movements, writings, and events.
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something for everyone to learn
- By Nick G on 03-12-19
By: Susan Stryker
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Henry Henry
- By: Allen Bratton
- Narrated by: Sebastian Humphreys
- Length: 11 hrs and 37 mins
- Unabridged
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It’s London, 2014, and Hal Lancaster, son and heir of Henry, Duke of Lancaster, is in a holding pattern: his mother is dead, his father is dying or remarrying or both, his siblings are fighting, his internship is pointless, and nobody will leave him alone. Everything is as it should be and yet nothing is right. Over the course of a year of partying, drinking, and flirting to dubious consequence, Hal is tested by brutal family legacies, Catholic guilt, and the terrifying possibility of being loved. The House of Lancaster will never be the same.
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Well written -Dissapointing
- By John on 04-22-24
By: Allen Bratton
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The Stonewall Reader
- By: New York Public Library, Edmund White
- Narrated by: full cast
- Length: 10 hrs and 45 mins
- Unabridged
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June 28, 2019 marks the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising, which is considered the most significant event in the gay liberation movement, and the catalyst for the modern fight for LGBTQ rights in the United States. Drawing from the New York Public Library's archives, The Stonewall Reader is a collection of first accounts, diaries, periodic literature, and articles from LGBTQ magazines and newspapers that documented both the years leading up to and the years following the riots.
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A good snapshot of LGBT history
- By Randy A. Wood on 09-28-19
By: New York Public Library, and others
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Disorderly Men
- A Novel
- By: Edward Cahill
- Narrated by: Eric Fox
- Length: 14 hrs and 4 mins
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Three gay men in pre-Stonewall New York City find their fates thrown together in the police raid of a Village bar. The three men find themselves in a police wagon together, their hidden lives threatened to be revealed to the world. Blackmail, a private investigator, Gus’s disappearance, and Danny’s quest for retribution propel Disorderly Men to its piercing conclusion, as each man meets the boundaries of his own fear, love, and shame. The stakes for each are different, but all of them confront a fundamental question: How much happiness is he allowed to have . . .
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A Sneailky Relatable Book!
- By John Latona on 10-09-23
By: Edward Cahill
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The Boy in the Rain
- By: Stephanie Cowell
- Narrated by: Philip Battley
- Length: 9 hrs and 54 mins
- Unabridged
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It is 1903 in the English countryside when Robbie, a shy young art student, meets the twenty-nine-year-old Anton who is running from memories of his brutal childhood and failed marriage. Within months, they begin a love affair that will never let them go. Robbie grows into an accomplished portraitist in the vivid London art world with the help of Anton's enchanting former wife, while Anton turns from his inherited wealth and connections to improve the conditions of the poor.
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An entrancing, unforgettable journey into the past
- By echolocation345 on 09-08-23
By: Stephanie Cowell
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Men Who Hate Women
- From Incels to Pickup Artists: The Truth About Extreme Misogyny and How It Affects Us All
- By: Laura Bates
- Narrated by: Tanya Eby
- Length: 12 hrs and 37 mins
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Men Who Hate Women examines the rise of secretive extremist communities who despise women and traces the roots of misogyny across a complex spider web of groups. It includes interviews with former members of these communities, the academics studying this movement, and the men fighting back. Women's rights activist Laura Bates wrote this book as someone who has been the target of many misogynistic attacks online. As Bates went undercover into the corners of the internet, she found an unseen, organized movement of thousands of anonymous men wishing violence (and worse) upon women.
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Vitally Important
- By Alyssa Huelsenbeck on 01-09-23
By: Laura Bates
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- Catie Duckworth
- 10-28-24
Great narrator and story, awful editing
The producers of this audiobook must have been asleep on the job. The Final Cut was not properly edited. However, I enjoyed the book. I learned a lot. I liked the chapter on Hoover and Cohn possibly the most. Also, I’d let this narrator read tax codes to me. Such a soothing voice.
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- Edward Sookikian
- 04-24-24
Fun historical information
Overall it was interesting to listen about the bad gay boys, but I did hear some date inaccuracies.
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- Bryce Johnson
- 09-02-24
Obnoxious voice of reader and underwhelming work, can I have my credit back?
A lot of random fluff and banter and historical mind wondering, this book did not connect the dots for me. The author of the book somehow was able to read the minds of its long dead subjects and tell us what they were thinking and also feeling and how everyone felt about them at the time, and somehow takes the position of an all knowing god as they describe the stories of different characters in history. Some parts are scholarly and actually refer to original source materials but unfortunately most of the book goes very much into the opinion of the author and come off as a reflection of their emotional state.
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- C. Johnson
- 04-19-24
another editorial disguised as history
if a book is billing itself as history, it should keep strong editorial opinions out of the text. these so-called gay histories are always very strict about conforming to Modern expectations. the only things ever condemned seem to be those that do not align perfectly with the current political message of the so-called lgbtq community
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- DJ
- 10-21-22
Great book but audiobook has many flaws
Several parts are read and read multiple times. Alternatives are left in the script. That said, the content of the book is spot on. 5 star content, 2 star audio production
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- Robert F. Madaras
- 03-16-23
Love it
Love the podcast and love the book. So enlightening. I always learn something new It is awesome
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- John Bryan
- 03-11-23
Stick with the history
Lemmey and Miller are at their strongest in their excavations of individual lives, prying into the obscured and absurd details of (mostly) gay men’s histories. They have a talent for laying bare embarrassing scandals in a way that is sure to evoke at least a chuckle.
That said, they often depart from the work of history to engage in commentary that is less analysis than a forced posture that stands on the border of progressive homily and self-flagellation. Their conclusions, turning their gaze away from villainous individuals, paint the history of gay people in broad and concerning strokes. To paraphrase: “the history of gay people is a history of failures, full of sin and sickness,” a statement I waited in vain for them to qualify. In their eagerness to signal their awareness of their own privileged status as white gay men, Lemmey and Miller unfortunately weaponize what is otherwise fascinating history to commercialize a toxic and inadvertently homophobic self-righteousness, what better authors have called “creating scarcity in an economy of virtue” (Angela Nagle). I could sympathize more, perhaps, if the motives for their commentary felt genuinely more self-hating than cynical.
On a technical level, the production needed more vigilant editors. The narration was excellent.
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- Peter J Larsen
- 01-12-23
Technical Flaws, but…
…a brisk trip through queer (mostly) male history via the lives of men who were somewhere between problematic and reprehensible. In the process, the authors question our assumptions of sexual categories and show how those assumptions can hinder movements toward liberation. If you are unsure if this book is for you, check out some of the podcast episodes, although the book has a more serious and scholarly, although utterly accessible tone. It would be grand if the production company would re-edit the files, however. Ben Allen’s smooth voice deserves better than the jarring skipping and repetitions in the current version.
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- Matthew Hintzen
- 10-19-23
Theories based on outdated social definitions
the Quickest way to get me to *snort* at your academic thesis is to use the words "bourgeoisie", "proletariat", and "Marxist liberalism" in an unironic way.
Problem 1) the first two terms were defined by Marx and assume a whole bunch of Axioms that simply have not been shown to actually be true.
Problem 2) and Marxist liberalism exists only in reference to the first two terms, i.e. nonsensical.
you might as well talk about "Mercury is in retrograde" as "They are Bourgeoisie"
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