In this episode, host George sits down with Greg De-feu of Defeu IT Solutions, recorded LIVE at FIT Show 2025!

Greg discusses how he first entered the glazing sector 18 years ago, his first impressions of it, and the trends he has seen within IT in glazing. He also discusses Artificial Intelligence, automation and cyber security, and their growing presence within the industry.

Greg also looks into his crystal ball and provides listeners with what he feels the future of the glazing sector looks like, and top tips to futureproof your company.

Recorded live at the FIT Show 2025, host George speaks to the Handlebar Heroes, a team including Made for Trade's Leigh Greenwood and Chris Wann, MACO UK's Gareth "Gaz" Turner and Specialist Building Distribution's (SBD) Ashley Parkinson.

The Handlebar Heroes team speak about their upcoming challenge, where they will be cycling 966 miles in just eight days from Lands End to John O'Groats to raise money for two charities, Cancer Research UK and Andy's Man Club.

The team discuss how the challenge came about, their preparations for the ride, and what they are most looking forward to.

Unlock insider expertise in glazing and joinery with Andy Ball, Founder Partner of The Joinery Network (TJN)!

In this episode of Two PiGs in a Pod, Andy shares his journey—from honing his skills at Profile 22, Synseal, and the Epwin Group to co‑founding his own marketing agency with Sarah Ball. Discover how his passion for sustainable products led him to create TJN, and get a sneak peek at his vision for the network - including plans for FIT Show 2025.

🎧 What You’ll Learn

• Andy’s career milestones in the glazing sector

• The story behind The Joinery Network and its mission

• Why sustainability matters in modern joinery

• What to expect from TJN at the FIT Show 2025

• Fun facts in our Quickfire Round: Andy’s favourite travel destination, dream car, and go‑to meal

Plus lots more!