OK, let’s get into the song! In Conversations with Tom Petty, Tom tells author Paul Zollo “I wrote that on the drive to the studio in Bugs’ truck. My trusty roadie Bugs was driving me to work—and I got this idea for this song, “Billy The Kid.” I pulled out a pad as we were going over Topanga Canyon with all those curves, so I was really writing on the edge of the paper, and back and forth in the truck. And I wrote it all out on the way to work, and I had the tune in my head.” Any songwriter will tell you that it’s massively exciting when that thunderbolt of inspiration hits and words or music come at you all at once. In this case, Tom had the words flowing and the tune only in his head, rather than it coming from sitting around noodling on the guitar and then framing in lyrics later. It’s especially gratifying to hear for me because that’s almost always how I write; a specific line or chorus and then some basic melody.

Song : https://youtu.be/WHVywrWjjrQ

Live from the Fonda - 2013: https://tinyurl.com/26yv2c2f

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Today’s episode is a very focused conversation I had with my pal and previous guest Nic Apostoleries. When we chatted way back in 2022, Nic told me that when I reached Echo, that he’d love to come onto the show and talk about it. We dive specifically into the lyrics on this season’s album and speculate on possible meanings to specific songs and overall moods and intent that album may hold. As a professional in the mental health field, Nic is always very careful to present his opinions as just that, but they’re very thoughtful, very well considered and articulated opinions and it was an absolute joy to spend a couple of hours in Nic’s company again! Even though he didn’t want to focus on his music, do go check out the links in the episode notes if you do want to check out Nic’s music. It’s personal, passionate, and I love it, so maybe you’ll love it too!

NOTE: There is one curse-word in the episode, when I quote the poet, Phillip Larkin.

Nic's latest release can be found here, please do go support him! https://nicapostoleris.bandcamp.com/album/loved-ones

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I’d said in the closing to last week’s episode that I get a strong connection between this song and the Jeff Lynne era of Tom’s work. So, close your eyes, listen to the first four bars, and imagine coming out of Too Good to Be True and into this song. It feels as natural a transition as anything in the catalogue to me. I think it’s partially the blend of those two acoustic guitars panned left and right sitting underneath that crunchy electric part from Mike. The tempo, bounce, and feel of this just screams Into the Great Wide Open era to me.

Song: https://youtu.be/2_JOAHA2tpk

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This is a very grown up song and as we discussed on Wildflowers, it’s a song that wouldn’t resonate as much with a person in their teens or early twenties as it would with someone who has lived and lost. You need that weight of experience to truly feel the bone-weariness that Tom projects at times and the hesitant accusations he ends with. It’s a collage of emotions and narrative dissonance that perfectly fleshes out what a broken relationship feels like even when a new, healthy one is coming into focus.

Song: https://youtu.be/OjC1Idf9w_4

Live at the Fillmore '99: https://tinyurl.com/2wtkm3jd

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Margaret "Cookie" Donnelly Obituary. You can read her full obituary here: https://tinyurl.com/28dr58p7

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In Conversations with Tom Petty, author Paul Zollo tells Tom that he finds the song has “kind of a British, early Beatles sound” to which to Tom replies “Yeah. It’s funny how you see these influences go round and round, because I was thinking of Don Everly, that sort of melody. But it does have a mid-Sixties British sound. And he was obviously influencing them.” Paul then observes “Like one of those old songs, it’s very short—under three minutes.” and Tom tells him “Yeah. It’s great when you can get it all in, in that amount of time”

Song: https://youtu.be/cu9-BjUAvNY

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Lyrically, we get this short story, in typical Tom fashion where he’s just giving us the outlines and parts of a narrative. We start out standing by the highway in boots and silver spurs. And we end on the interstate across the Georgia line, which is maybe a teeny nod back to Tweeter and the Monkey Man. In fact, here’s an idea, maybe the protagonist of this song is actually Jan! I can imagine her heading south after the fiasco in Jersey, but it sounds like she found trouble again in Nevada and headed back east! It’s an incredible lyric to come up with on the spot, as I say and it’s obviously gone on to be a lesser known single that is adored by Pettyheads. It’s a song that lends itself well to themes of not going down without a fight while at the same time depicting a somewhat desperate character who is going down anyway! Fabulous writing. Or in this case, ad-libbing!

Song: https://youtu.be/ew6Cg6pUApE

Official Video: https://youtu.be/I4vJM4L2D2U

Links mentioned:

Red Hot Chili Peppers - A Face In The Crowd (Live) : https://youtu.be/qD37E7rtxbs

Sammy Davis Jr drums : https://youtu.be/i3FqyPeUaDE

Refugee (album version) : https://youtu.be/YbWDV72oQlo?t=50

Refugee (live version, 2012) : https://youtu.be/2sW4msX2q_E?t=114

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I love the line “She’s a sweet young thing. Brings me dreams in a box she made for me”. That’s a very Petty-esque little piece of imagery that he throws in early to add to the very dreamy quality of the piece. In Conversations with Tom Petty, Tom tells author Paul Zollo that “The words changed several times in that song. But I finally got it to where I liked it. I think I worked on that one a lot more than any of the others.” And where we were talking about Free Girl Now sounding much more spontaneous lyrically, this one does have that quality of being a more considered lyric. I don’t think many people would come up with “Brings me dreams in a box she made for me” off the cuff.

If you want to listen to the track before listening to the episode, you can find it here: https://youtu.be/-IIX0nGyfyA

You can find my appearance on the Booked on Rock podcast here: https://youtu.be/Gkea4Xc_2uQ

You can find Megan Volpert's wonderful book, "Why Alanis Morissette Matters" here: https://utpress.utexas.edu/9781477330876/

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The song is a powerful push back against an abusive relationship on behalf of the woman Tom loved. The way the lyrics are organized, with the verses describing the abuse in the past tense and the uplifting chorus being in the present tense really drives home that idea that “No longer will you be a slave. No longer will you have to crawl”. It’s a celebration of liberation and freedom that is specific to a personal situation but again has that anthemic universality that would make a stadium full of people who might not know its origins sing along in full-throated support!

If you want to listen to the song before you listen to the episode, you can find it here : https://youtu.be/vxfQun7sfok

And if you want to hear the live version from the Fillmore in '99, you can find that here : https://youtu.be/1p7e5MgqkcI

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The Tom Petty Project is not affiliated with the Tom Petty estate in any way and when you’re looking for Tom’s music, please visit the official YouTube channel first and go to tompetty.com for official merchandise.

A last very special thanks to Paul Zollo. Without his book, "Conversations with Tom Petty", this podcast wouldn't be nearly as much fun to research. And further thanks to Warren Zanes for his outstanding book "Petty, the Biography".

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