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 Software engineering at Big Tech and startups, from the inside. Deepdives with experienced engineers and tech professionals who share their hard-earned lessons, interesting stories and advice they have on building software. Especially relevant for software engineers and engineering leaders: useful for those working in tech.

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  • The present, past and future of GitHub

    The present, past and future of GitHub
    Jun 18 2025
    Supported by Our Partners•⁠ Statsig ⁠ — ⁠ The unified platform for flags, analytics, experiments, and more.• Graphite — The AI developer productivity platform. • Augment Code — AI coding assistant that pro engineering teams love—GitHub recently turned 17 years old—but how did it start, how has it evolved, and what does the future look like as AI reshapes developer workflows?In this episode of The Pragmatic Engineer, I’m joined by Thomas Dohmke, CEO of GitHub. Thomas has been a GitHub user for 16 years and an employee for 7. We talk about GitHub’s early architecture, its remote-first operating model, and how the company is navigating AI—from Copilot to agents. We also discuss why GitHub hires junior engineers, how the company handled product-market fit early on, and why being a beloved tool can make shipping harder at times.Other topics we discuss include:• How GitHub’s architecture evolved beyond its original Rails monolith• How GitHub runs as a remote-first company—and why they rarely use email • GitHub’s rigorous approach to security• Why GitHub hires junior engineers• GitHub’s acquisition by Microsoft• The launch of Copilot and how it’s reshaping software development• Why GitHub sees AI agents as tools, not a replacement for engineers• And much more!—Timestamps(00:00) Intro(02:25) GitHub’s modern tech stack(08:11) From cloud-first to hybrid: How GitHub handles infrastructure(13:08) How GitHub’s remote-first culture shapes its operations(18:00) Former and current internal tools including Haystack(21:12) GitHub’s approach to security (24:30) The current size of GitHub, including security and engineering teams(25:03) GitHub’s intern program, and why they are hiring junior engineers(28:27) Why AI isn’t a replacement for junior engineers (34:40) A mini-history of GitHub (39:10) Why GitHub hit product market fit so quickly (43:44) The invention of pull requests(44:50) How GitHub enables offline work(46:21) How monetization has changed at GitHub since the acquisition (48:00) 2014 desktop application releases (52:10) The Microsoft acquisition (1:01:57) Behind the scenes of GitHub’s quiet period (1:06:42) The release of Copilot and its impact(1:14:14) Why GitHub decided to open-source Copilot extensions(1:20:01) AI agents and the myth of disappearing engineering jobs(1:26:36) Closing—The Pragmatic Engineer deepdives relevant for this episode:• AI Engineering in the real world• The AI Engineering stack• How Linux is built with Greg Kroah-Hartman• Stacked Diffs (and why you should know about them)• 50 Years of Microsoft and developer tools—See the transcript and other references from the episode at ⁠⁠https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/podcast⁠⁠—Production and marketing by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://penname.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@pragmaticengineer.com. Get full access to The Pragmatic Engineer at newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/subscribe
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    1 h y 27 m
  • TDD, AI agents and coding with Kent Beck

    TDD, AI agents and coding with Kent Beck
    Jun 11 2025

    Supported by Our Partners

    • Sonar — Code quality and code security for ALL code.

    •⁠ Statsig ⁠ — ⁠ The unified platform for flags, analytics, experiments, and more.

    • Augment Code — AI coding assistant that pro engineering teams love.

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    Kent Beck is one of the most influential figures in modern software development. Creator of Extreme Programming (XP), co-author of The Agile Manifesto, and a pioneer of Test-Driven Development (TDD), he’s shaped how teams write, test, and think about code.

    Now, with over five decades of programming experience, Kent is still pushing boundaries—this time with AI coding tools. In this episode of Pragmatic Engineer, I sit down with him to talk about what’s changed, what hasn’t, and why he’s more excited than ever to code.

    In our conversation, we cover:

    • Why Kent calls AI tools an “unpredictable genie”—and how he’s using them

    • Why Kent no longer has an emotional attachment to any specific programming language

    • The backstory of The Agile Manifesto—and why Kent resisted the word “agile”

    • An overview of XP (Extreme Programming) and how Grady Booch played a role in the name

    • Tape-to-tape experiments in Kent’s childhood that laid the groundwork for TDD

    • Kent’s time at Facebook and how he adapted to its culture and use of feature flags

    • And much more!

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    Timestamps

    (00:00) Intro

    (02:27) What Kent has been up to since writing Tidy First

    (06:05) Why AI tools are making coding more fun for Kent and why he compares it to a genie

    (13:41) Why Kent says languages don’t matter anymore

    (16:56) Kent’s current project building a small talk server

    (17:51) How Kent got involved with The Agile Manifesto

    (23:46) Gergely’s time at JP Morgan, and why Kent didn’t like the word ‘agile’

    (26:25) An overview of “extreme programming” (XP)

    (35:41) Kent’s childhood tape-to-tape experiments that inspired TDD

    (42:11) Kent’s response to Ousterhout’s criticism of TDD

    (50:05) Why Kent still uses TDD with his AI stack

    (54:26) How Facebook operated in 2011

    (1:04:10) Facebook in 2011 vs. 2017

    (1:12:24) Rapid fire round

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    1 h y 16 m
  • 50 Years of Microsoft and Developer Tools with Scott Guthrie

    50 Years of Microsoft and Developer Tools with Scott Guthrie
    Jun 4 2025
    Supported by Our Partners•⁠ Statsig ⁠ — ⁠ The unified platform for flags, analytics, experiments, and more.•⁠ Sinch⁠ — Connect with customers at every step of their journey.•⁠ Modal⁠ — The cloud platform for building AI applications.—How has Microsoft changed since its founding in 1975, especially in how it builds tools for developers?In this episode of The Pragmatic Engineer, I sit down with Scott Guthrie, Executive Vice President of Cloud and AI at Microsoft. Scott has been with the company for 28 years. He built the first prototype of ASP.NET, led the Windows Phone team, led up Azure, and helped shape many of Microsoft’s most important developer platforms.We talk about Microsoft’s journey from building early dev tools to becoming a top cloud provider—and how it actively worked to win back and grow its developer base.In this episode, we cover:• Microsoft’s early years building developer tools • Why Visual Basic faced resistance from devs back in the day: even though it simplified development at the time• How .NET helped bring a new generation of server-side developers into Microsoft’s ecosystem• Why Windows Phone didn’t succeed • The 90s Microsoft dev stack: docs, debuggers, and more• How Microsoft Azure went from being the #7 cloud provider to the #2 spot today• Why Microsoft created VS Code• How VS Code and open source led to the acquisition of GitHub• What Scott’s excited about in the future of developer tools and AI• And much more!—Timestamps(00:00) Intro(02:25) Microsoft’s early years building developer tools(06:15) How Microsoft’s developer tools helped Windows succeed(08:00) Microsoft’s first tools were built to allow less technically savvy people to build things(11:00) A case for embracing the technology that’s coming(14:11) Why Microsoft built Visual Studio and .NET(19:54) Steve Ballmer’s speech about .NET(22:04) The origins of C# and Anders Hejlsberg’s impact on Microsoft (25:29) The 90’s Microsoft stack, including documentation, debuggers, and more(30:17) How productivity has changed over the past 10 years (32:50) Why Gergely was a fan of Windows Phone—and Scott’s thoughts on why it didn’t last(36:43) Lessons from working on (and fixing) Azure under Satya Nadella (42:50) Codeplex and the acquisition of GitHub(48:52) 2014: Three bold projects to win the hearts of developers(55:40) What Scott’s excited about in new developer tools and cloud computing (59:50) Why Scott thinks AI will enhance productivity but create more engineering jobs—The Pragmatic Engineer deepdives relevant for this episode:• Microsoft is dogfooding AI dev tools’ future• Microsoft’s developer tools roots• Why are Cloud Development Environments spiking in popularity, now?• Engineering career paths at Big Tech and scaleups• How Linux is built with Greg Kroah-Hartman—See the transcript and other references from the episode at ⁠⁠https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/podcast⁠⁠—Production and marketing by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://penname.co/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@pragmaticengineer.com. Get full access to The Pragmatic Engineer at newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/subscribe
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    1 h y 4 m
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