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Ish stays up past his bedtime (a whopping 8:12 pm!) to chat with Sacha's friend Aarti Bhanderi-Shah, who went from corporate law to driving around London with a car full of cold-pressed juices, pitching to 300 cafes in two weeks. Now a nutritionist, Aarti shares why sleep might be more important than your kale smoothie obsession.

Main Topics

• The Career Pivot Chronicles -- How Aarti went from studying law to auditing at PwC, then said "screw it" and started a cold-pressed juice company (possibly keeping the Queen alive with her royal deliveries to Fortnum & Mason)
• The Hustle Reality Check -- What it's really like to get up at 4am, load cooler boxes in your car, and drive around London selling juices while learning the hard way that shelf life is everything
• Joyful Eating Over Diet Culture -- Why Aarti ditches the word "diet" (it literally has "die" in it!) and focuses on her four-pillar approach: joyful eating, movement, sleep, and mindset
• The Sleep Revolution -- How society has lost 25% of its sleep in recent decades, and why your doughnut cravings might just be your exhausted brain crying for help

Key Insights

• Sometimes the best business education is jumping in with both feet and learning as you go
• Your worst food choices usually happen when you're tired - fix the sleep, fix the eating
• Having a business partner might save your sanity (and your business)
• Reframing language around health can completely change your relationship with wellness

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PS: Aarti watches Strictly Come Dancing (UK's Dancing with the Stars) while Ish is officially obsessed with Clarkson's Farm, where Jeremy gets injured in creative ways every episode. Also, sorry Netflix - this one goes to the BBC!

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Sacha returns from Fiji with a tan and a trauma—being unceremoniously booted from a Harvard WhatsApp group with 160 people, then discovering they had a whole discussion about her "eligibility" while she was locked out. What starts as a petty digital drama becomes a masterclass in understanding the difference between guilt and shame and why some wounds hit us harder than others.

Main Topics

• How Sacha went from Harvard alumna to "Category 6" (yes, her own special category) in a group chat cleanup gone wrong, triggering an unexpectedly visceral shame response
• The crucial difference between feeling bad about what you've done (guilt) versus feeling bad about who you are (shame), and why shame hits so much harder, because there's no clear path to redemption
• The Three Base Human Fears. Why being excluded tapped into Sacha's deepest fear of insignificance, making her feel "very small" and want to disappear entirely
• How shame triggers our ugliest behaviours—arguing, attacking, and trying to make ourselves smaller instead of addressing the real wound underneath

Key Insights

• How you deliver a decision can be more damaging than the decision itself
• When we're hurt, we invent stories to explain what happened, and they're usually wrong
• The "writing to the judge" principle: always communicate as if a neutral third party will read it later

PS: The episode opens with Ish's "birthday tribute" to Sacha—a photo of her with her hands down her pants (tucking in her shirt) set to U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For." Sacha's mum was genuinely concerned about her professional reputation. Meanwhile, Ish recommends "Ballerina" (the John Wick spin-off with Ana de Armas) while admitting he can't pronounce the lead actress's name properly.

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This week, we examine how our personal perspective determines whether we ruminate about the past, catastrophize about the future, or have public meltdowns with zero regard for consequences.

Plus, the brutal truth about "future discounting" and why Sacha's been planning to start training for a half marathon for four weeks running.

Main Topics

• How your natural focus (past, present, or future) shapes everything from your leadership style to your procrastination patterns.
• The sneaky way we convince ourselves that difficult tasks will somehow cost less energy "tomorrow" when we're magically more motivated, better rested, and perfectly organised
• Why zooming in for microscopic detail one day and flying high for big picture the next makes your team want to hide under their desks
• Treating your younger self with compassion (she was doing her best!) and your future self with kindness (she'll thank you for going for that run today)

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