Summary

In this conversation, Peter Clarke and KMO explore the concepts of network states and dark enlightenment, discussing their compatibility and implications for governance in a post-liberal world. They delve into the competition for high agency individuals between these systems, the potential role of AI in future governance, and the evolution of societal structures in a world where traditional jobs may become obsolete. The discussion also touches on the importance of status games and the need for new ideas to navigate the rapidly changing landscape of technology and governance.

Takeaways

The idea of a cybernetic harmony between machines and nature.

Post-liberal governance is characterized by the emergence of network states and dark enlightenment.

Network states are communities formed online with the goal of becoming recognized as legitimate states.

High agency individuals are attracted to network states due to their flexibility and potential for innovation.

AI is expected to play a significant role in future governance structures.

The concept of status games may evolve in a jobless future, providing new forms of social validation.

The viability of network states is questioned in terms of their ability to defend against traditional state powers.

A one world government may emerge as a necessity to manage global risks associated with advanced technologies.

The ultra wealthy may leverage network states to escape taxes and create exclusive communities.

New ideas and frameworks are needed to adapt to the rapid changes brought by technology.

KMO and the Librarian of Celaeno discuss various topics including the challenges of building an audience on Substack, the impact of AI on education and writing, the decline of reading among young people, cultural shifts in literature, the role of religion in society,and the intersection of race and ideology. They explore the complexities of racism in America and the enduring nature of cultural patterns, concluding with thoughts on the role of technology in shaping society.

KMO is joined by Brent, author of The Absurdity Sim Substack, for a wide-ranging discussion that opens with the simulation hypothesis. They explore the idea that human consciousness may be either central to reality or merely an unintended byproduct of a system running for someone else's amusement—perhaps a cosmic reality show. This sets the tone for a conversation that blends philosophy, cultural critique, and lived experience with wry humor.

From there, the conversation shifts to the decline of attention spans and the rise of short-form dopamine-driven platforms like TikTok, contrasted with the promise of Substack as a space for thoughtful writing and dialogue. Brent reflects on his own motivations for launching a Substack: channeling his inner curmudgeon in the spirit of H.L. Mencken and Mark Twain, offering sardonic but grounded takes on American decline.

KMO shares his experience using Substack as an audio-first medium and laments the collapse of the internet’s early promise—recalling a time when text-heavy forums fostered substantial, idea-driven exchanges rather than engagement-optimized performance. Together, they reflect on the role that algorithmic social media plays in distorting public discourse, and how platforms increasingly populate your feed with AI-generated personalities disguised as human users.

The conversation then pivots to Brent’s real-world experience with government construction contracting and the disruptive power of AI. He describes how ChatGPT already accelerates tasks like analyzing construction plans, generating submittal registries, and cross-referencing thousands of pages of specs. Brent anticipates a near-future where human project managers and administrators are largely replaced by AI, even in complex fields like federal infrastructure work. KMO builds on this, discussing how AI will reshape military logistics and global power, especially as the U.S. and China race to control both space and artificial general intelligence.

By the end of the hour, the discussion has covered the erosion of cultural cohesion, the post-2008 shift toward institutional impunity, and the psychological toll of a society that flatters rather than elevates. Brent introduces the idea that intelligence distribution—not race, not ideology—helps explain the collapse of discourse and taste in the age of mass media. The two agree that the early internet, for all its flaws, was simply smarter and more sincere—and that today's platforms are built for distraction, not understanding.