What if the most valuable people in your team are the ones no one’s paying attention to?

Michael Lewis, author of acclaimed sports book Moneyball, The Big Short, and his new book Who Is Government? The Untold Story of Public Service — joins Jake to explore how data can reveal hidden talent, challenge gut instinct, and reshape the way we build teams.

They discuss:

• How Moneyball rewrote the rules on spotting overlooked talent
• Why culture follows winning — not the other way around
• The myth of instinctive leadership in sport and business
• And what Lewis learned from inside the Trump administration and Elon Musk’s takeover of the U.S. civil service

This conversation will challenge how you think about performance, power, and the people who keep things moving - quietly, and without credit.

When you think of Alun Wyn Jones, you probably think of leadership, loyalty, and a rugby career built on sheer will. But behind the caps, the tackles, and the intensity, there’s a habit that mattered more than any stat: He built what he believed in, and he protected it like it was his.

In this episode, we go beyond the legend to explore the mindset that made Alun Wyn Jones not just a great player, but a builder of culture. We talk about the IKEA Effect, the psychological principle that says we value what we build, and how Alun embodied that every day, through effort, not ego.

We explore:

• Why working hard is more than grit, it’s a form of ownership
• How investing in yourself changes the way you show up
• What true leadership looks like when no one’s watching
• Why buy-in is earned through action, not talk
• The hidden cost of letting others build for you

Whether you’re trying to lead better, show up stronger, or build something that matters, this episode is for you. Because high performance isn’t about flashy moments. It’s about building something worth fighting for.

Listen to the full episode with Alun Wyn Jones: https://pod.fo/e/2b6885

Here is more information on the studies referenced:

The IKEA Effect (Michael I. Norton, Daniel Mochon, Dan Ariely 2012)

Formula One driver Carlos Sainz has always made bold choices, but none bolder than betting on Williams. In this episode, the F1 star opens up about turning down easier options to join a long-term project led by James Vowles, and why trust, people, and honesty mattered more than numbers or hype.

He also addresses the Red Bull rumours head-on, sharing his real thoughts on Max Verstappen, why he never made that call, and the reality of playing second fiddle in a team built around one superstar. It’s not bitterness, it’s clarity.

Beyond the politics and paddock talk, Carlos gets real about the personal price of chasing a championship: the constant obsession, the missed moments, and the challenge of being present when your mind is always in the car.

This episode is a rare look at the mindset behind the helmet, raw, reflective, and deeply human.

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