In this episode, Nate and Tony embark on a discussion about dealing with suffering and hardship. They explore the universal question of how to handle life's difficult moments without falling apart. Tony shares personal anecdotes about his tendency to isolate himself during tough times and how recognizing and addressing his reflexive negative responses has been crucial. Nate emphasizes the importance of community and personal reflection in coping with hard times. Both hosts advocate for building emotional intelligence and maintaining strong support networks. They touch on their faith as Christians and how it informs their approach to suffering. The episode concludes with a teaser for the next discussion on the topic of defining what it means to be a Christian.

In this episode, hosts Nate and Tony delve into the topic of why change is so difficult, coining the term 'the discipline of hard things.' They discuss the significance of discipline, particularly from a Christian perspective, and reflect on how consistent physical fitness has played a role in their personal development. Nate highlights insights from Dallas Willard's teachings on discipline, while both share their experiences with fitness routines and the challenges of maintaining them. They also explore the concept of willpower as a muscle that can be strengthened through regular practice, and how this can have a ripple effect on other areas of life. The conversation includes practical tips on avoiding burnout, the importance of community and accountability, and the incremental steps one can take to achieve long-term success and self-improvement.