From battling meth, heroin and alcoholism to training Arizona police officers on cycles of dependency, self destruction, and addiction, Shane Watson talks about his head first dive into every drug imaginable only to wake up in one of America's most known jails. Shane shares how he went through withdrawals from behind cell walls yet somehow not only survived but thrived! It was a long road of recovery. Along the way, Shane accrued over 3,000 albums, so we had to talk about music as well.

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Imagine being a 19 year old soldier and you get selected to guard Saddam Hussein during his final months of life.

The Army may have plucked this play right out of the Silence of the Lambs movie script: Was "Tucker" their Agent Starling?

8 hours a day sitting with, at the time, public enemy number one, a man who committed unspeakable acts, atrocities, and directed many others to do the same, sits in front of a 19 year old American soldier day in and day out for months. Eventually, the two talk.

For "Tucker" (Not even close to his real name) it was his reality. I knew this guy for a few years before I ever knew the stories he tells me on this episode.

Some may get mad hearing these stories, but remember, human beings build bonds when they are in close quarters. Jokes are shared. Stories of home life are told. Grandfatherly advice is given. Great manipulators groom the eager ear. Dictators contort stories into falsehoods. A caged man can seem less and less of a threat the more words he speaks.

"Tucker" opens up about all of it. Many of you will be surprised to learn what the trial and final moments of Saddam's life were like through the eyes of his favorite American guard.

Ego-free actor, Bailey Chase and I talk about his incredible acting career spanning two decades through television and the movie screen, his fleeing Los Angeles to a more grounded, easy living town in the South, his exposure to crack cocaine during his teen years, his path to earning a psychology degree while playing football for arguably one of the most overrated colleges in the country. (I'm kidding. I'm sure DUKE is an accurately ranked college.)

He and I follow the Art of War tenant that goes something like this: "The enemy of my enemy is UNC Tarheels."

Alright y'all, enjoy!

Bailey Chase @baileychase:

-HOMESTEAD

-Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

-Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice

-Longmire

-Saving Grace

-Criminal Minds

-S.W.A.T.

-Chicago PD

-CSI

-Law and Order: SVU

and a lot more.