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Ever wondered how psychiatric nurse practitioners seamlessly blend talk therapy with medication management? In this illuminating conversation, we're joined by Dr. Kate Wheeler (lovingly dubbed "East Coast Kate") who shares her journey of maintaining a vibrant psychotherapy practice even after retiring from academia.

Dr. Wheeler offers a candid look at her approach to therapy, particularly her specialization in EMDR for trauma patients. With refreshing honesty, she explains why she prioritizes psychotherapy over medication management: "My goal is always to get people off of stuff rather than starting a medication." Her practical insights on patient screening, managing therapeutic relationships during extended absences, and documentation practices provide valuable guidance for practitioners at any stage.

Meanwhile, Dr. Kate Melino ("West Coast Kate") provides a fascinating contrast with her work in a home-based primary care setting. Her approach to therapy with homebound adults, many facing end-of-life issues, demonstrates how narrative therapy and existential approaches can be adapted to serve unique patient populations.

The conversation takes an enlightening turn when the hosts discuss documentation requirements, with Dr. Wheeler candidly sharing her preference for process notes over insurance-driven progress notes in her cash-based practice. This sparks a valuable discussion about balancing clinical needs with regulatory requirements.

Whether you're a psychiatric nurse practitioner looking to incorporate more therapy into your practice, a student wondering about the practical aspects of psychotherapy integration, or simply curious about the intersection of talk therapy and medication management, this episode delivers practical wisdom from clinicians who've successfully navigated these waters.

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Dr Dan Wesemann

Email: daniel-wesemann@uiowa.edu

Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner

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Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Have we lost the art of truly seeing our patients? In this profound conversation with Cheryl Puntil, a psychodynamic psychotherapist who recently retired as Chief Nursing Officer at Austin Riggs Center, we explore the unique power nurses bring to therapeutic relationships after her remarkable 43-year career in psychiatric mental health nursing.

Cheryl shares why she chose nursing over other professions, calling it "the best profession ever" for its unique integration of psychology, medicine, and social work perspectives. With passionate conviction, she explains how nurses observe patients in contexts no other providers witness, creating unparalleled opportunities for meaningful connection and healing.

The conversation ventures into fascinating territory as Cheryl describes how psychodynamic principles operate not just in individual therapy but throughout entire organizations. She reveals the concept of "parallel process" – how themes emerging in staff meetings mysteriously appear in patient community meetings, creating unconscious connections throughout therapeutic communities.

Perhaps most compelling is Cheryl's concern about the future of psychodynamic nursing. Despite overwhelming evidence that combined therapy and medication approaches work better than either alone, healthcare systems increasingly devalue nurse psychotherapists who don't prescribe. Meanwhile, educational foundations weaken as non-psychiatric specialists teach mental health content in nursing programs, and many students never experience psychiatric clinical rotations.

The episode concludes with an inspiring tour of Austin Riggs Center's unique approach – an open-setting residential treatment facility where patients lead community meetings, engage in creative programming, and receive intensive psychodynamic psychotherapy four times weekly. This 100-year-old model stands as living proof that relationship-based care produces transformative results.

For anyone concerned about the direction of mental healthcare or seeking to deepen their therapeutic approach, this conversation offers both validation and a roadmap forward. What might our healthcare system look like if we truly valued knowing our patients?

CLARIFICATION FROM THE EPISODE

Mrs Cheryl Puntil does have a certificate in psychodynamic approach but is NOT a psychodynamic therapist as she does not provide direct care to patients in her role as CNO.

Also the the Austin Riggs Center opened in 2019 not 2017.

Please reach out with any other questions or comments to Mrs. Cheryl Puntil at cherylpuntil@gmail.com

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Dr Dan Wesemann

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LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann

Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Dr Kendra Delany

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What if you could teach your patients to be their own therapists? Chelsea Landolin, psychiatric-mental health nurse practitioner from UCSF (University of California-San Fransisco: Chelsea.Landolin@ucsf.edu), reveals how cognitive behavioral therapy creates lasting change beyond medication alone.

Chelsea shares her fascinating journey from psychopharmacology researcher to CBT advocate, describing that pivotal moment watching Carl Rogers' therapeutic approach with 'Gloria' and recognizing how empowering the right therapy can be. Her candid explanation of how our brains process negative thoughts literally—"When you say 'I'm a failure,' your brain believes it completely"—offers a compelling case for cognitive restructuring as an essential skill for mental health providers.

The conversation explores a powerful success story of an elderly patient who transformed decades of self-criticism through CBT, developing a gentler relationship with herself as she learned to challenge core beliefs about her worth. Chelsea's innovative approach adapts traditional CBT to fit into brief clinical encounters, making therapy accessible even in busy settings. "If you only have five minutes to do cognitive restructuring, you can make meaningful progress," she explains, describing how separating treatment over multiple sessions often deepens the therapeutic impact.

Most provocatively, Chelsea highlights how nurse practitioners are uniquely positioned to address America's mental health access crisis. While psychiatrists increasingly focus on medication management alone, NPs can bridge the treatment gap, especially for Medicare patients typically excluded from many therapy options. Her vision? A future where every psychiatric nurse practitioner receives comprehensive CBT training, dramatically expanding access to this life-changing therapy nationwide.

Ready to expand your therapeutic toolkit and help patients develop skills that last a lifetime? Like, subscribe, and comment to join the conversation about the evolving role of nurse practitioners in transformative mental healthcare.

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Dr Dan Wesemann

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Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann

Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Dr Kendra Delany

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Crossing the finish line of a doctoral program leaves an unexpected void—a "phantom limb" where dissertation deadlines once lived. In this candid conversation with newly-minted Dr. Kate Melino, we explore the transformative journey of pursuing a PhD in psychiatric mental health nursing and the surprising discoveries that emerged from her research.

Dr. Melino's work uncovered a startling revelation: despite over 30 million Americans receiving care in community mental health centers across the country, almost no research examines these critical settings or the practitioners who serve there. Her research illuminates how psychiatric mental health nurse practitioners (PMHNPs) creatively navigate institutional barriers—sometimes literally leaving clinics to check on patients in encampments—to deliver holistic care that addresses not just symptoms, but the social and structural determinants affecting their patients' wellbeing.

The conversation shifts to the age-old question facing nursing students: DNP or PhD? Drawing from their collective experience, our panel offers refreshingly practical guidance. As Dr. Melino explains, "If you want to make change at the institutional level, DNP is for you. If you want to answer questions that don't have answers yet, consider PhD." Meanwhile, Dr. Sean Convoy shares his mentor's wisdom: "It comes down to your identity—do you see yourself as a clinician first and leader second, or a researcher first who builds knowledge over time?"

We also discuss groundbreaking survey findings revealing how psychotherapy skills—a cornerstone of psychiatric nursing practice—are being underutilized in today's healthcare settings, potentially contributing to overprescribing issues. As the hosts share their diverse experiences navigating doctoral education while balancing personal lives and responsibilities, they offer invaluable insights for anyone considering advanced nursing education.

Whether you're contemplating doctoral study, curious about the state of mental healthcare research, or interested in the evolving role of PMHNPs, this episode offers both inspiration and practical wisdom from those who've walked the path before you.

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Dr Dan Wesemann

Email: daniel-wesemann@uiowa.edu

Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann

Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Dr Kendra Delany

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Dr. Tess Judge-Ellis shares her journey from family nurse practitioner to psychiatric mental health specialist, highlighting the power of nurse-led psychotherapy in rural communities and beyond.

• Starting as a family NP in a town of 1,000 people before adding psychiatric specialization
• Creating accessible mental health services through a designated "counseling room" that reduced stigma
• Using interpersonal psychotherapy (IPT) and motivational interviewing to help patients with grief and substance use disorders
• Emphasizing that every nursing encounter has psychotherapeutic potential from the first moment
• Comparing psychotherapy to "physical therapy for the brain" - small exercises that create lasting change
• Advocating for nursing education that strengthens psychotherapy skills beyond medication management
• Addressing barriers including time constraints and reimbursement systems that limit therapeutic interaction

Join our next episode in a few weeks as we continue exploring psychotherapy in nursing practice, including upcoming interviews with nurses who trained directly under Hildegard Peplau!

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Dr Dan Wesemann

Email: daniel-wesemann@uiowa.edu

Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann

Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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What happens when the art of psychotherapy gets pushed aside in favor of medication management? In this thought-provoking episode, we're joined by Dr. Tari Dilks (taridilks@gmail.com), retired full professor and past president of the American Psychiatric Nurse Association, who shares wisdom from her remarkable 50-year journey in psychiatric nursing.

Dr. Dilks takes us through her evolution from mental health technician to licensed professional counselor to advanced practice nurse, revealing how the therapeutic relationship became her north star. "Psychotherapy is curative," she asserts, recounting a 15-year journey helping a patient with dissociative identity disorder achieve full integration—a powerful testament to therapy's transformative potential.

The conversation delves into the challenges facing psychiatric mental health nurse practitioners today, where employers often hire advanced practice nurses solely for medication management rather than comprehensive care. Dr. Dilks worries that the art of psychotherapy in nursing could disappear under financial pressures, despite research clearly showing patients benefit most from combined approaches.

Perhaps most moving is her candid discussion about working with suicidal patients when other providers refused. "Who does then?" she asks, sharing a poignant story about giving a chronically suicidal patient and her family "extra years" together. This perspective challenges us to reconsider how we approach risk, liability, and the true meaning of patient-centered care.

For clinicians, Dr. Dilks offers practical wisdom: develop an eclectic therapeutic approach, recognize when you need your own therapy, and find powerful ways to disconnect (like her preference for scuba diving where "nobody can talk to me underwater"). For educators, she emphasizes the critical need to help students experience psychotherapy's power firsthand.

Whether you're a psychiatric nurse practitioner, mental health professional, or simply interested in the therapeutic relationship, this conversation reminds us that beneath all our clinical tools and interventions lies the fundamental healing power of human connection.

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Dr Dan Wesemann

Email: daniel-wesemann@uiowa.edu

Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner

LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann

Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Dr Kate Melino

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Dr Dan Wesemann

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Dr Kate Melino

Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu

Dr Sean Convoy

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Dr Kendra Delany

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