How can CHROs ensure a strong return on investment in the face of rising HR costs? In this episode, guests James Atkinson, VP of thought leadership at SHRM, and Chris Courneen, senior VP and global head of HR at MS International, dive into SHRM's 2025 CHRO Benchmarking Data Brief, unpacking trends such as increased HR spending, wage inflation, and investments in workforce technology. Discover strategies for measuring ROI, controlling costs, and communicating value to the broader business. This episode is essential for HR leaders looking to align their budgets with organizational impact.

2025 CHRO Benchmarking data brief mentioned: https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/research/2025-chro-benchmarking--insights-to-power-people-strategy

Data on the U.S. labor shortage: https://www.shrm.org/enterprise-solutions/insights/january-2025-labor-market-review-talent-shortage-persists

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In this milestone 100th episode of People and Strategy with special guest Johnny C. Taylor Jr., CEO of SHRM, we dive into the intersection of technology and human capital, exploring how AI is reshaping HR practices and the workplace. Taylor reflects on his leadership philosophy, the critical CEO-CHRO relationship, and shares strategies to address talent shortages through skills-first hiring. Discover actionable takeaways on building resilient organizations, supporting mental wellness, and redefining HR's role in a rapidly changing world.

Jump to 17:31 to listen to Taylor's 3 C’s Rule for CHRO Success.

2025 CHRO Benchmarking data brief mentioned: https://www.shrm.org/topics-tools/research/2025-chro-benchmarking--insights-to-power-people-strategy

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Learn how HR leaders can assess skills, complexity capacity, temperament, and role requirements to make better talent decisions and reduce costly mismatches. In this episode, host Mo Fathelbab sits down with Susan Schmitt Winchester, former CHRO and author of Healing at Work. Susan introduces the Suitability Model, a game-changing framework for smarter hiring, succession planning, and talent alignment. Tune in for actionable strategies to elevate your hiring processes and create lasting organizational impact.

You can jump to 5:37 in the video to hear Susan’s Suitability Model.

View Susan’s TEDx talk on tackling perfectionism at work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY8WhA045iE

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How do you respond to trauma and violence in the workplace? In this deeply moving episode of People and Strategy, Liz Cotner, director of human resources at Foster Swift Collins and Smith PC, and Marjorie Morrison, SHRM’s mental health executive in residence explore the profound impact of workplace violence and mental health challenges. Morrison offers the clinical perspective, while Cotner shares her personal journey of coping with her mother’s mental health struggles and suicide, along with her professional experiences managing workplace violence. Learn the best course of action for helping employees experiencing crises. To skip directly to Cotner’s CURIOUS Framework, jump to 23:20 in the video. For additional support, view SHRM’s Mental Health Crisis Response Plan Template.

Content warning: Please be advised this episode features potentially traumatic events including workplace violence and suicide.

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What does it take to build a workplace where employees feel valued and engaged? In this episode, we speak with Susan Podlogar, former CHRO at MetLife, and independent board director at Tevogen Bio and LivaNova. Podlogar shares the essential role of HR in navigating workforce transformation, supporting employees, and driving strategic impact. Learn how organizations can future-proof their people strategies and lead with purpose.

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Whether you're learning to fly a plane or you're learning to lead a CEO succession, situational awareness and risk management is key. Kevin Cox, president of LKC Advisory is a seasoned HR leader, CEO succession expert, and pilot in training, who joins us to explore the intricacies of leadership transitions and offer practical takeaways to help steer organizations toward success. Leveraging his experience gained across Pepsi, American Express, and General Electric, Cox shares invaluable insights into building a strong feedback culture, the art of succession planning, and how lessons from aviation sharpen his focus on HR.

Read more insights from Kevin Cox: https://www.shrm.org/executive-network/insights/people-strategy/less-is-more-eliminating-hr-concepts-fall-2024

For CEO Succession tips, view our recent article: https://www.shrm.org/executive-network/insights/people-strategy/art-leaving-impact-incumbents-departure-ceo-succession

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HR leaders often face the challenge of supporting others while managing their own emotional and mental health. In this insightful conversation, Leah Marone, corporate mental wellness consultant and clinical instructor at Yale, shares insights on how leaders can recognize burnout, set boundaries, and practice mindfulness. Marone also introduces the concept of validation and explains how it can transform workplace relationships. Whether you're an HR executive or a leader in any field, this episode offers practical tools to help you lead with empathy without overextending yourself.

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