This week, Josh, Cliff, Michael, and Justin gather around the table for an episode that mixes curiosity, theology, and a bit of controversy. The conversation is sparked by Michael’s message on how Christ holds all things together—down to the atoms—and the surprising scientific depth he brought to the pulpit. The team reflects on Colossians 1 and how this passage doesn’t just describe Jesus as Creator, but as the Sustainer—the glue, the gravity, the force keeping all creation intact.

To explore the tension between belief and understanding, they engage in a game called Real Science or Totally Fake?—not just for laughs, but to surface a bigger point: what we believe about the nature of reality is ultimately answered in Christ. From discussions about molecules and laminin to the cosmic scope of Jesus’ role, the hosts explore the bridge between science and faith, showing how both point to the same sustaining Savior.

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Before You Go - "Who Is Jesus?" - Colossians 1:15-20

Paul admonishes his readers to "stay true to the Lord." And when we are true, the result is we don't have to worry about anything because we pray about everything and because of that, we can always be full of joy. Jesus makes all the difference in how we live. So what does the Bible tell us about who Jesus is? He is God in the flesh. He is the embodiment of every promise of God. He is the Word of God. He is the way to Life. He is the conquerer of sin. As Jesus himself declared, "He is the way, the truth, and the life."

In this heartfelt episode of the Beyond Sunday podcast, Michael and Josh are joined by Adam and Kathy Glover, seasoned Christian counselors and beloved members of New Work Fellowship. The episode opens with humor around Josh’s milestone birthday and then gently shifts into deep and sacred ground—discussing identity, healing, and walking in freedom from shame. The Glovers reflect on their counseling philosophy, personal stories of redemption, and how understanding our God-given origin, identity, and destiny shapes spiritual and emotional health.

The team also plays a fun “Marriage Mythbusters” game, debunking popular clichés with biblical truth and humor. Later, the conversation turns candid as Kathy shares her experience with abortion and the healing journey that followed, offering raw encouragement to anyone wrestling with past mistakes. This episode is powerful, real, and saturated in grace—and it reminds us all that we are redeemed, restored, and not alone.

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*Disclaimer- This episode deals with sensitive topics of pregnancy and abortion. Listener discretion advised.