Roughly five years since Kim Stanley Robinson's groundbreaking climate fiction novel, The Ministry for the Future, hit shelves and The New York Times bestseller list, there's little he says he'd change about the book, were it to be published again, he tells Mongabay's podcast.

The utopian novel set in a not-so-distant future depicts how humans address climate change and the biodiversity crisis, toppling oligarchic control of governments and addressing chronic inequality. Robinson explains how the novel works as  ”a kind of cognitive map of the way the world is going now, the way things work and the way things might be bettered. And also a sort of sense of hope or resiliency in the face of the reversals that will inevitably come along the way.“

In this conversation, the Hugo and Nebula Award-winning writer shares reflections on the themes explored in the book and how they apply to the world today. He explains how storytelling can help humans fight a “war of ideas” and speaks about challenging economic inequities with what he calls “postcapitalism.”

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Image Credit: Screenshot of the book cover for ‘The Ministry for the Future’ by Kim Stanley Robinson, published by Orbit. Cover art by Trevillion Images. Cover design by Lauren Panepinto.

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(00:00) What Stan would change about the book today

(07:56) We’re all ‘in a sci-fi novel we’re co-authoring together’

(13:37) Challenging capitalism with ‘post-capitalism’

(19:43) Is ‘Degrowth’ part of the Ministry for the Future?

(23:45) About Frank

(27:24) The inspiration for Mary Murphy

(30:34) The threat of ‘wet bulb’ 35C temps

(36:37) How to fight a ‘war of ideas’

(42:21) You cannot kill the future

(46:26) Before you read the book…

(49:27) Looking to Antarctica