Ken Hersh, energy entrepreneur and current CEO of the George W. Bush Presidential Center, shares his unconventional journey from liberal arts major to pioneering a whole new industry in energy private equity. From early business failures and bold pivots to investing with Richard Rainwater and creating Natural Gas Partners, Ken breaks down the highs, lows, and lessons learned. He also dives into public policy, the evolution of America’s energy landscape, and the fine line between good ideas and good investments.

In This Episode

[00:00] Intro: Who is Ken Hersh?

[01:07] Early Days and Business Plan Origins

[02:00] Founding NG Partners in a Pre-Private Equity World

[05:00] Resilience, Background, and the Fastest Tortoise

[07:30] Education, Princeton, and Finding His Own Path

[10:00] Morgan Stanley, Energy Markets, and Breaking In

[13:00] The Fortuitous Call from Richard Rainwater

[16:00] Bold Moves and Moonlighting with McKinsey

[20:00] Birth of Natural Gas Partners and First Investments

[24:00] Pivoting Strategy When the Market Shifted

[28:00] Betting on People vs. Assets

[30:00] What Makes a Good Founder?

[34:00] Investing Philosophy and Risk Alignment

[36:00] The Energy Transfer Home Run

[41:00] Mentorship from Richard Rainwater

[45:00] Reflections on Energy Policy and Public Perception

[50:00] U.S. Energy Independence and Shale Revolution

[55:00] The Realities of Energy Transition and Clean Tech

Resources Mentioned

• The Fastest Tortoise by Ken Hersh

• Natural Gas Partners (NGP Energy Capital)

• George W. Bush Presidential Center

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In this conversation, we take a deep dive into R. Gerald Turner’s remarkable 30-year run as president of Southern Methodist University. We cover everything from faith and small-town values to high-stakes athletics and billion-dollar fundraising campaigns. Turner reflects on leadership decisions, including firing a popular football coach at Ole Miss, building SMU’s academic and athletic infrastructure, securing the George W. Bush Presidential Library, and navigating the politics of higher education. It’s a masterclass in values-based leadership, institutional transformation, and the delicate balance between tradition and innovation.

In This Episode

[02:00] Leadership and LongevityWhy being on the same page with trustees was the cornerstone of Turner’s legacy.

[03:30] From New Boston to AcademiaHow a small Texas town, sports, and family shaped his early years.

[06:00] Faith and LeadershipTurner’s lifelong spiritual foundation and its impact on academic life.

[09:00] Decision Making Under PressureFrom Ole Miss controversies to student development during COVID.

[13:30] The Death Penalty & Rebuilding SMU FootballThe long road back and why facilities, traditions like the Boulevard, and student experience matter.

[20:00] Athletic and Academic RebuildHow sports success translates into applications and why facilities are investments.

[25:00] The ACC LeapBehind the scenes of SMU’s jump to the ACC and alumni stepping up with $100M.

[32:00] Winning the Bush LibraryPolitics, land deals, and strategic influence that brought a presidential library to campus.

[38:00] The Value of Higher Ed TodayWhy college still matters and the myths about billionaire dropouts.

[41:00] Free Speech & Campus PoliticsThe influence of critical theory, Trump-era backlash, and balancing academic perspectives.

[47:00] SMU’s Future & Next Leadership What’s next under President Hartzel and the importance of continuity with vision.

Resources

The Bush Library

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Commissioner John Wiley Price, often dubbed “Our Man Downtown,” sits down with Tom and Kyle for a wide-ranging conversation on his four decades of service in Dallas County. As the longest-serving commissioner in Texas—and possibly the nation—Price offers a unique, unfiltered perspective on the intersection of policy, race, faith, and leadership.The episode digs deep into the structural issues that continue to shape life in Dallas: inequities in infrastructure, disparities in healthcare access, the troubling state of public education, and the persistent challenges of criminal justice.

He doesn't shy away from controversy, either. From views on the intentional underfunding of public schools to breaking down how book bans and voucher programs threaten generational progress, Price challenges listeners to confront their held beliefs. Whether you agree with him or not, this episode is a masterclass in leadership, legacy, and not backing down from the fight.

In This Episode

[01:10] A Legendary Run: 41 years as commissioner and why he's just getting started

[04:00] The Origin of “Our Man Downtown”

[06:00] Infrastructure & Equity: Roads, Water, and the Politics of Development

[08:15] Minority Contracting and Measured Progress

[12:00] Education as Civil Rights: From Rosenwald Schools to Modern-Day Bans

[18:00] Why Third Grade Reading Scores Predict Prison Populations

[20:00] Charter Schools, Vouchers, and the Erosion of Public Education

[29:00] Parkland Hospital, UT Southwestern, and Healthcare Deserts

[38:00] Fair Park, FQHCs, and the Role of Churches in Community Health

[44:00] National Healthcare Needs and Dying of Whiteness

[52:00] Inside the Jail System: Management, Mental Health & Gender Dynamics

[58:00] Criminal Justice Creativity: Burglar Court and Behavioral Pods

[01:04:00] Homeward Bound: Local Models That Work

[01:08:00] Leadership by Presence: Why JWP Shows Up Every Day

Resources Mentioned

Dying of Whiteness by Jonathan M. Metzl

A Better Life for Our Children by Julius Rosenwald

Black Labor, White Wealth by Dr. Claud Anderson

Watermark Church South Dallas

Homeward Bound Inc. - Behavioral Health Agency

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