Former undercover FBI agent and bestselling author Scott Payne returns in Part 2 of this jaw-dropping conversation with Steve and Colleen. In this episode, Scott recounts the harrowing details of infiltrating neo-Nazi accelerationist groups—including disturbing pagan rituals, foiled murder plots, and spiritual warfare in the darkest places imaginable. But through it all, his faith remained the anchor.

Colleen joins the conversation with powerful reflections on biblical masculinity, the battle between good and evil, and the call to be both lion and lamb in today’s culture.

💥 This is a raw, redemptive look at what it means to stand in the gap as a Christ follower in a broken world.

📚 Codename: Pale Horse – Available now on Audible, Amazon, and everywhere books are sold. https://a.co/d/86MsDlg

Chapters

00:00 The Wild Hunt and Pagan Rituals

11:56 Infiltrating Extremist Groups

23:38 The Dark Side of Accelerationism

35:41 Spiritual Warfare and Redemption

47:22 Masculinity and the Church

What happens when an undercover FBI agent faces down hate groups, cartels, and spiritual darkness—and still holds fast to his faith?

In this gripping Part 1 interview, Scott Payne, former FBI agent and New York Times bestselling author of Codename: Pale Horse, joins Steve to share his incredible journey. From growing up in a Christian home to infiltrating America's most violent criminal networks, Scott opens up about the challenges of living for Jesus in the darkest places on earth.

🎙️ You’ll hear:

How Scott integrated faith into his high-stakes undercover work

His chilling encounter with demonic forces that changed his life forever

The wild story of how a school talent show led to his first covert mission

The emotional and spiritual cost of his work—and how God used it all for redemption

🙏 Whether you're in ministry, law enforcement, or just looking for hope in hard places, this episode will both shock and inspire you.

📚 Codename: Pale Horse – Available now on Audible, Amazon, and everywhere books are sold. https://a.co/d/86MsDlg

Chapters

00:00 Undercover Operations: A High-Stakes Job

02:43 The Journey of a Christ Follower in Law Enforcement

05:56 Challenges and Triumphs in the FBI

08:45 The Path to Becoming an Undercover Agent

11:55 Childhood Influences and Early Experiences

14:53 The Impact of Peer Pressure and Identity

18:00 Spiritual Awakening and Transformation

20:54 Navigating the World of Law Enforcement

23:37 The Role of Faith in a Dangerous Profession

26:42 First Experiences in Undercover Work

29:58 Career Decisions and Law Enforcement Aspirations

41:25 The Evolution of Undercover Work

49:32 Infiltrating the Outlaws: A Deep Dive

01:00:33 The High-Stakes Drug Deal

01:11:55 Faith and Resilience in the Face of Danger

01:23:17 Redemption Stories and Community Support

David Garlock’s journey is one of trauma, transformation, and triumph. After surviving years of horrific abuse, David and his brother took the life of their abuser—an act that led to a 25-year sentence. But in prison, David found something far greater than freedom: he found Jesus.

In this episode of the Embracing Brokenness Podcast, Steve talks with David about:

* His early years of abuse and family dysfunction

* The decision that changed everything

*Meeting God in a jail cell

* His education journey—from GED to college degree

* Working with Bryan Stevenson and appearing in Just Mercy

* Why justice reform matters

* What the Church can do to support returning citizens

David's story is a powerful reminder that no one is beyond the reach of grace—and that God can use anyone for His glory.

🔗 Visit davidlgarlock.com to learn more.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Embracing Brokenness

03:01 David's Early Life and Trauma

10:36 The Turning Point: Confession and Transformation

19:36 Life After Incarceration and Family Dynamics

24:52 Loss and Healing: The Impact of Grief

28:11 The Importance of Faith and Advocacy

29:23 The Power of Faith and Vulnerability

36:40 Transformative Education Behind Bars

54:48 Finding Purpose Through Adversity

58:40 Redefining Identity Beyond Past Mistakes