You’ve invested in professional photography. Your portfolio looks incredible. Your social media presence is growing. And yet… those high-end clients you’ve been aiming for? They’re still not booking. Something isn’t lining up, and the culprit might be hiding in plain sight: your website.

Many interior designers assume that a visually attractive website is enough to convert browsers into buyers. But what if your site’s design choices are actually sending subtle signals that work against the luxury service you provide? What if, despite your best efforts, your digital presence is whispering “entry-level” to the very clients you’re trying to attract?

I sit down with branding and web strategist Nicole Heymer, founder of Glory & Brand, to unpack the exact elements that create a high-end feel online, and the seemingly small details that can quietly sabotage it. We talk fonts, color palettes, white space, and layout, but we also go deep on things most designers overlook, like SEO structure, AI search visibility, and the impact of editorial copy on how your business is perceived.

Whether you’re a seasoned designer ready to uplevel your client base or you’re just starting out and want to set the right tone from the get-go, this conversation is a must-listen. Because in the luxury market, your first impression isn’t made in person, it’s made on your website. And it needs to feel just as high-end as the spaces you create.

You’ll learn:

✅ How to make your website immediately feel more high-end ✅ The small website mistakes that silently repel luxury clients ✅ Where SEO and AI intersect, and how your site can start working 24/7 ✅ Why strong copy and professional photography are non-negotiable

If you’re an interior designer looking to attract premium clients and elevate your brand presence online, this is the episode that’s going to help you get there.

Listen now and learn how to align your digital first impression with the level of service you actually provide.

(00:00) The two-bucket problem - traffic vs. conversion

(02:39) Why a beautiful site isn’t enough if no one sees it

(06:00) What makes a website feel upscale (fonts, white space, color restraint)

(12:30) Balancing minimalism and SEO using hidden copy and structure

(16:02) How to handle your site when you’ve only got one good project

(20:59) AI reads everything: Why your site copy matters more than ever

(25:10) Costly DIY mistakes even luxury designers make on their websites

Nicole Heymer is the founder and creative director of Glory & Brand, a boutique agency specializing in branding, website design, and marketing automation for interior designers, architects, and builders. Since launching in 2011, Nicole has been known for her clear, practical approach to digital strategy, helping clients craft upscale, conversion-focused online presences that reflect their unique value. Her work has been featured in industry podcasts, conferences, and branding workshops, highlighting her influence in the design community.

Nicole's journey into entrepreneurship was inspired by her early experiences working with interior design firms and her passion for creating cohesive brand experiences. At Glory & Brand, she leads a team that delivers well-made, practical branding and websites, focusing on helping design firms make the most of their digital presence. Nicole's commitment to excellence and her ability to merge aesthetics with strategy have made her a trusted partner for businesses seeking to elevate their brand and attract the right clients.

Website Instagram

Instagram

Wingnut Academy is LIVE

Work with Wingnut

Website Facebook X Instagram Wingnut Webinars

Apple Podcasts YouTube

What if being overlooked was the best thing that ever happened to your business?

When Wandra Cain walked into showrooms and got ignored, she didn’t flinch—she made a mental note. That “Pretty Woman” moment stuck with her, not as a grievance, but as fuel. She’d always had a sharp eye and a natural gift for pulling beauty out of limitation, but that experience sharpened her resolve to create a design business that didn’t ask for permission to be taken seriously. She built WCA Interiors from the ground up, not with flashy backing or a big team, but with intention, consistency, and a deep belief that her work belonged, regardless of who initially acknowledged it.

Her journey started with pivots. From corporate desk jobs to cosmetology school, and eventually to earning her interior design degree while working full-time, she followed the tug toward creativity even when the path forward looked unclear. Early projects tested her—contractors challenged her decisions, budgets fell apart, and she didn’t always know how to protect her time or profit. But instead of hiding the hard parts, she leaned in. Every mistake became a tool. Every misstep taught her how to run a better project, have firmer boundaries, and value her own expertise.

What really sets Wandra apart is her ability to show up with humility and confidence at the same time. She leads projects with warmth, listens deeply to clients, and isn’t afraid to say no when the fit or the numbers are off. Even with over 11,000 Instagram followers, she’s more focused on building genuine relationships—online and off—than chasing engagement. For her, design isn’t about ego or aesthetic signatures; it’s about helping people feel truly at home in their spaces. The business didn’t happen overnight. It was ten years of quiet hustle, small wins, big learning curves, and showing up again the next day.

You’ll learn:

✅ How to lead projects (and set boundaries) when contractors push back

✅ Why visibility matters—and how Wandra handled being underestimated

✅ Systems and client processes that helped her turn a hobby into a real business

✅ What she’s doing now to market her firm without burning out on Instagram

If you’re an interior designer looking to grow a business that reflects who you are—and makes money doing it—this is the episode that’s going to help you get there.

Listen now and remember: being underestimated might be your greatest edge.

(0:00) The “Pretty Woman” moment that shaped Wandra’s mindset

(0:50) Wandra’s origin story and entering the interior design world

(4:40) Why representation in the design industry matters

(12:30) Pivoting from cosmetology to design and going back to school

(15:50) Learning the hard way: pricing, client management, and early business mistakes

(22:40) Building confidence and refining systems and client processes

(30:50) Grassroots marketing, networking, and digital growth

Wandra Cain is the founder and principal designer of WCA Interiors, a full-service interior design firm based in Easton, Pennsylvania. With a focus on creating refined yet livable luxury, Wandra believes that a well-designed home should serve as a sanctuary, capturing the spirit of the client and enhancing their lifestyle. Her approach emphasizes collaboration, ensuring each space reflects its inhabitants' unique personalities and needs.

Website

Instagram: @wcainteriors

Instagram

Wingnut Academy is LIVE

Work with Wingnut

Website Facebook X Instagram Wingnut Webinars

Apple Podcasts YouTube

What if listening more—not designing more—is what actually makes you great at this job?

Emily Tucker says her best work hasn’t come from executing her own vision—it’s come from learning how to filter her clients’ visions through her design lens. She’s not here to imprint her style on every project. Instead, she’s gotten really good at making someone else’s taste look like something she’d proudly add to her portfolio. And it’s that mindset—meeting the client where they are, without losing yourself—that’s helped her build a design firm where both the work and the relationships feel like the real win.

She breaks down what it means to hold space for a client’s preferences, even when they clash with your instincts. That doesn’t mean rolling over. It means knowing when to guide, when to push, and when to let them lead. And sometimes, it means saying “absolutely not” with zero hesitation. That confidence doesn’t come from dominance—it comes from knowing exactly what your role is and who you're doing this work for.

Emily also shares the habit her firm follows religiously that keeps every client feeling looped in, cared for, and crystal-clear on progress. It’s not a tool. It’s not a tech stack. It’s a simple, consistent move most designers skip because it’s annoying to maintain. But doing it every week has completely shifted how clients perceive her team—and how her team stays organized enough to deliver on time, every time.

You’ll learn:

✅ Why letting go of full creative control can actually sharpen your aesthetic

✅ The one weekly habit that immediately upgraded client trust

✅ How to handle pushback (and when to say no with zero guilt)

✅ What “modern rooted in tradition” really looks like—and why it sells

If you’re an interior designer looking to attract better-fit clients and grow through your projects (not just finish them), this is the episode that’s going to help you get there.

Listen now and stop designing in a vacuum.

(0:00) When your client’s style isn’t yours

(4:54) Balancing your aesthetic with someone else’s style

(8:44) When the client’s vision really clashes—what then?

(10:57) Giving pushback with confidence (and respect)

(18:25) The weekly email that changed everything

(22:30) Hiring missteps, expectations, and what she fixed

(36:00) The future of her firm—and the real meaning of “timeless”

Emily Tucker is the founder and principal of Emily Tucker Design, a Boulder-based firm known for creating timeless, client-centered residential interiors. Drawing from a background in architecture and more than a decade of design experience—including formative years with celebrated designers like Kelly Wearstler and Steven Gambrel—Emily brings a refined sensibility and deep knowledge of spatial planning to every project.

Her work balances classic design principles with the unique lifestyle and personality of each client, resulting in interiors that feel both grounded and alive. Whether designing a mountain retreat or a city townhouse, she believes that great design emerges through collaboration, listening, and a deep respect for place. Her thoughtful, process-driven approach ensures every space is beautiful, personal, and enduring. Emily’s work has been featured in national publications and is admired for its warmth, structure, and sophistication.

Website: etuckerdesign.com Instagram: @emilytuckerdesign

Connect with Darla

Instagram

Resources & People Mentioned

Wingnut Academy

Demon Copperhead book

FOLLOW Wingnut Social

Wingnut Website

Facebook

X

Instagram

SUBSCRIBE to The Wingnut Social Podcast

Apple Podcasts

YouTube