This week Debra and Peter touch upon looking after your pets in a heatwave as well as hearing from beloved family members via old cassette tapes. They also discuss leadership challenges in-depth, including the power of the spoken word, how the words we use make such a powerful difference, government “U-turns” and alien visitors. They also discuss organisational consultations, engaging with staff and listening to them. And they talk about agreement vs alignment in terms of relationships with the Board.Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: Justin Martin

Debra recounts her journey (literally and metaphorically) to Leeds, where she gave a keynote to Yorkshire Funders. She dives into why funders must speak up more often, not to demand money but to influence change. Peter reflects on his own time at the Lottery and reinforces how insights from grantmakers can shape public policy in ways that quietly transform lives. The conversation then unpacks the obsession with short-term impact. What if some of the most meaningful change takes decades to surface? From the legacy of Sure Start to the language of transformational vs transactional funding, it’s a rich discussion that challenges the status quo. They also talk about leadership and culture: how big vs small organisations handle remote work, staff connection, and that classic "who looks taller in real life" moment. From all-staff quizzes to serious reflections on hybrid working, it’s thoughtful and funny in equal measure. Plus: Peter is moving house (with four cats) and Debra still isn’t over being mistaken for a lace-tablecloth enthusiast. Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez

Episode 31! Debra and Peter are back, tackling some hefty themes with their usual wit and wisdom.Peter kicks off with a fascinating dive into "The Art of Delivery", a new book exploring the real-world messiness of turning strategy into impact. From Prime Ministerial promises to classroom outcomes, and even drones in Ukraine, the duo reflect on what it really takes to get things done.That messiness also shows up in charity work, whether it’s launching a governance app or campaigning for change. They celebrate the power of persistence and share behind-the-scenes stories that prove successful delivery is as much about culture as it is about planning.Then it’s onto Volunteers Week. What do volunteers really need? How do you keep them motivated, and when does their goodwill become hard to manage? Expect honest takes and plenty of praise for the unsung heroes of the sector.Finally, they dig into the government’s latest Dormant Assets announcement. Good news for funding if it gets distributed wisely. Will Peter survive the democracy of cricket? The vote is in! Plus: memories of pocket money, cheques and the disappearing art of going to the bank.Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!The Art of Delivery: https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/the-art-of-delivery The Governance App: https://thegovernanceapp.org.uk/YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez