Episode 66

The story of the Lords of Chaos comes to a close in this final installment. After the murder of Mark Schwebes, the cracks begin to show. Confessions spill. Arrests are made. And the twisted empire Kevin Foster built starts to collapse under the weight of its own violence and paranoia.

In this episode, we follow the unraveling—how a confession born of manipulation ultimately led to the group’s downfall, how law enforcement closed in, and how the trials exposed the devastating consequences of ego, fear, and blind loyalty. We also explore what happened after the headlines faded. Just when you think the case is wrapped up, an entirely new bombshell drops as Kevin Foster's influence and crime spree continues even in his post-conviction era.

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Source List: My primary source for this episode was the Book Someone Has to Die Tonight by Jim Greenhill. You can find it on amazon here: https://a.co/d/hwh75F1

Please see Episode 64 show notes for complete sources list for this series.

Episode 65

In Part 2, the Lords of Chaos escalate from chaos to carnage. What began as vandalism and firebombs takes a darker turn when Kevin Foster declares war—not just on authority, but on anyone who stands in his way. As their plans spiral, the group bombs a Coca-Cola plant and stalks their high school band director, Mark Schwebes, ultimately ambushing him at his front door. In this episode, we unravel the events that led to Schwebes’ murder, the manipulation tactics Kevin used to turn fear into compliance, and the unraveling of group loyalty as reality sets in. It’s the point of no return—and the fire has only just begun.

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Source List: My primary source for this episode was the Book Someone Has to Die Tonight by Jim Greenhill. You can find it on amazon here: https://a.co/d/hwh75F1

Please see Episode 64 show notes for complete sources list for this series.

Episode 64

Obedience to Ashes, Part 1 It started with friendship. With a promise of belonging. With a charismatic—yet deeply flawed—leader. But beneath the surface of this group of misfit boys, something much darker was brewing.

In Part 1 of this series, we examine how Kevin Foster recruited the teens who would become his self-proclaimed militia: the Lords of Chaos. We explore how this band of rebels ended up on the wrong side of the razor-thin wire separating camaraderie from cult.

A warped ideology, a hierarchy built on fear, and a toxic need for power would drag them all toward tragedy. From theft to arson—and eventually murder—this group of boys became victims of manipulation, groupthink, and radicalization.

On Crime to Burn, we explore how it happened—and why it matters.

This episode is dedicated to the memory of Herbert (Herb) Roberson, Retired Lieutenant of Asheville City Fire Department, Upper Hominy Fire Department, Enka-Candler Fire and Rescue Squad, and Buncombe County Rescue Squad.

We extend our deepest condolences to his family, friends, and his fire department and rescue squad brothers and sisters. His service and dedication will not be forgotten.

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Source List: My primary source for this episode was the Book Someone Has to Die Tonight by Jim Greenhill. You can find it on amazon here: https://a.co/d/hwh75F1

• • Greenhill, Jim. Someone Has To Die Tonight. Pinnacle Books (Kensington Publishing Corp.), 2006. 448 pages.

  • Morrison, Keith. NBC News. “Young Lords of Chaos.” 🔗 https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna15990418

  • UPI Archives. “Killer’s Mom Held Without Bond.” July 22, 2000. 🔗 https://www.upi.com/Archives/2000/07/22/Killers-mom-held-without-bond/7572964238400/

  • Wikipedia. “Lords of Chaos (criminal group).” 🔗 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Chaos_(criminal_group)

  • Cifatte, Chris. WINK News. “Lords of Chaos Conspirator to be Released from Prison on Saturday.” 🔗 https://www.winknews.com/news/lee/lords-of-chaos-conspirator-to-be-released-from-prison-on-saturday/article_1769be97-dcf7-552b-8f08-fe90238ee611.html

  • News-Press. “Photos: The Lords of Chaos – A Look Back.” January 30, 2018. 🔗 https://www.news-press.com/picture-gallery/news/crime/2018/01/30/photos-the-lords-of-chaos---a-look-back/109936410/

  • Cape Coral Breeze. “Appeal Denied for Kevin Foster, Convicted in Lords of Chaos Case.” November 1, 2023. 🔗 https://www.capecoralbreeze.com/news/local-news/2023/11/01/appeal-denied-for-kevin-foster-convicted-in-lords-of-chaos-case/

Episode 62

The Finale.

For over two decades, Lorene Bible has chased whispers through rural Oklahoma—across backroads, into burned-out houses, and deep into the shadows of fear and corruption. In this final chapter, we follow her relentless pursuit as it collides with rumors of meth, murder, and men who believed themselves untouchable.

We’ll trace the steps of private investigators blocked by politics, uncover the objects that linked killers to the crime, and examine how a mother—just a mother—did what no law enforcement agency would: she kept going.

This is the conclusion of our three-part series on the disappearance of Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible. The fire was only the beginning.

If you have information that can help the families locate the remains of Lauria Bible or Ashley Freeman, please reach out on the facebook page run by the Bible Family, Find Lauria Bible BBI: https://www.facebook.com/p/Find-Lauria-Bible-BBI-100064440802321/ You can also email findlauriabible@yahoo.com or call (918) 244-3625.

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Source List:

Please see source list for Episode 60. In addition, Sirens, A Southern True Crime Podcast hosted by investigative journalist and victim advocate, Raven Rollins did a deep dive into this case including interviews with author Jax Miller and Lauria Bible's mother Lorene Bible. I highly recommend their coverage for additional information on the case. Raven's coverage and interviews are also used as source material for this episode.

Our primary source for this case remains the book Hell in the Heartland by Jax Miller which you can find on Amazon here.

Additional sources used for this episode:

• Oklahoma House of Representatives – Coverage of Lauria and Ashley’s Law, including legislative progression and final passage

• KJRH News – Report on Governor Kevin Stitt signing Lauria and Ashley’s Law into effect

• KSWO News – Details on the law’s provisions and its scheduled effective date of November 1, 2025

• News 9 – Coverage of the law’s requirements, with statements from Lorene Bible and law enforcement officials

• KOCO News – Overview of the bill’s signing and related legislative actions

Video Coverage from KOCO (YouTube):

• Lauria and Ashley’s Law Signed by Governor

• Lauria and Ashley’s Law Passes Oklahoma Senate

• Lauria and Ashley’s Law Passes House

Episode 61

Whispers. The town of Welch, Oklahoma was full of whispers after the bodies of Danny and Kathy Freeman were located in the burned out Freeman home. Whispers about drugs, wrongful deaths, police involvement, intentionally botched investigations, and whispers about where the girls were and who had taken them. The whispers swirled around allegations related to Shane Freeman's death after a Craig County Sheriff's Deputy shot him on a rural Oklahoma road nearly a year before. The whispers discussed accusations of drug debts and methamphetamine rings. The whispers built theories. And some of the whispers would eventually harden into statements, allegations, and testimony but it would take years, decades even. In this episode of Crime to Burn, we take you through the whispers and the theories swirling around the Freeman's deaths and the disappearances of Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman in the early days of the investigation because whispers can spread through a community like wildfire, and the Bible family was willing to consider every whisper in their relentless search for their missing daughter.

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Source List:

Please see source list for Episode 60. In addition, Sirens, A Southern True Crime Podcast hosted by investigative journalist and victim advocate, Raven Rollins did a deep dive into this case including interviews with author Jax Miller and Lauria Bible's mother Lorene Bible. I highly recommend their coverage for additional information on the case. Raven's coverage and interviews are also used as source material for this episode.

Our primary source for this case remains the book Hell in the Heartland by Jax Miller which you can find on Amazon here.

Episode 60

In the early hours of December 30, 1999, a mobile home in Welch, Oklahoma went up in flames. Inside, the bodies of Kathy and Danny Freeman were discovered—but their daughter Ashley and her best friend Lauria Bible were gone. In this episode, we unravel the tangled first 24 hours of the case that would come to haunt two families and an entire community. From missing evidence to missteps in the fire investigation, we explore how two teenage girls vanished into the smoke—and why it took nearly two decades for answers to emerge.

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Source List:

• KJRH Tulsa. 25 years: Mother, community mark anniversary of Bible, Freeman disappearance. January 2, 2024. People.com

• KJRH Tulsa. Oklahoma's Cold Case Files: Lauria Bible & Ashley Freeman. May 8, 2025.

• People Magazine. Polaroids Prompt Arrest in 1999 Disappearance of 2 Oklahoma Teens.

• People Magazine. How an Overlooked Clue Cracked Open 1999 Murder Case More than a Decade After Teen Girls Were Killed. June 7, 2021. People.com

• Miller, Jax. Hell in the Heartland: Murder, Meth, and the Case of Two Missing Girls. Berkley Books, 2020.

Episode 59

In this special episode of Crime to Burn, we go beyond the headlines with investigative journalist Liliana Segura of The Intercept, one of the first reporters to dig into the troubling details of the Michelle Taylor arson case. From flawed forensic science to systemic failures in the justice system, Liliana shares what drew her to the story, worrisome problems about the crime lab she learned while reporting, and why this case matters far beyond one woman’s conviction. If you've ever wondered what it takes to uncover the truth in a wrongful conviction case, this interview pulls back the curtain.

Read more of Liliana's work here: https://theintercept.com/staff/liliana-segura/

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