Policy may not be sexy. But it is what shapes your city — or keeps it stuck.

In this episode, I talk with Tom Goldsmith, one of the sharpest minds on innovation and public policy in Canada, and the writer behind Orbit Policy’s must-read Deep Dives. Together, we explore why cities can’t just wait for permission — they need to start shaping policy on their own terms.

Tom cuts through the usual fog, arguing that good policy lives at the messy intersection of evidence, politics, and money. It’s not just about having the right ideas — it’s about getting them done, in the real world, where compromise is constant and perfection is a mirage.

We get into why:

• Policy isn’t what’s written — it’s what actually gets done (or avoided).
• Inaction is a choice. Usually a bad one.
• Governments fear failure so much they only “experiment” with what they already know.
• The state has been hollowed out — and now it struggles to deliver the things we desperately need.
• Cities are innovation engines, but rarely funded or empowered like they are.

KEY QUOTES:

“There are plenty of examples of good policies that failed because the harm was pointed — and the benefit was diffuse.”

“The connective tissue is often missing. Step 1: throw money. Step 3: world-class outcomes. Step 2? Dot-dot-dot.”

“There’s been a conscious dismantling of the state’s capacity since the '80s and '90s.”

“Cities shouldn’t just be delivery vehicles for federal strategy. They should be authors of their own policy futures.”

“We don’t need perfect policies. Just ones that are more interestingly less wrong.”

LISTEN FOR INSIGHTS ON: 📜 How Challenger Cities can get bolder about writing their own rules 🏗️ Why experimentation should be normal in city governance 🗳️ The political psychology behind policy paralysis 🌎 Why a one-size-fits-all national strategy rarely works in Canada 🔧 The mindset shift from “more perfect” to “more possible”

This one’s for the urbanists, policymakers, and troublemakers who know that real leadership starts not with permission, but with momentum.