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In this candid and eye-opening conversation, Ashley welcomes Angie Anger, a self intimacy and sex coach, to the And Both Podcast. Angie shares her non-linear journey from counseling and corporate marketing to becoming a coach who helps women and femmes reconnect with their bodies, pleasure, and self-worth—especially through the lens of motherhood and long-term partnership. With empathy, humor, and a refreshing dose of honesty, they discuss desire types, communication barriers, emotional labor, and how parenthood reshapes intimacy. Angie reminds us: you’re not broken, you’re just human.

What You’ll Hear:

• The difference between responsive vs. spontaneous desire (and why most women aren’t broken)
• Why connection and self-intimacy matter more than scheduled sex
• How shifting your mindset from performance to play can transform your relationship
• The sex spiral of doom that many moms fall into—and how to break it
• How motherhood, aging, and identity shifts influence desire and pleasure
• Why Angie only works with individuals and not couples (and how it helps)
• Real talk on body image, communication breakdowns, and the dishes fight
• Coaching insights that help moms reclaim their pleasure on their own terms
• Angie’s advice for the mom who feels unseen, unsexy, and unsure where to start
• A preview of part two: how to talk to your kids about sex, bodies, and consent

Connect with Angie:

IG: @angieengercoach

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